From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Nov 22 2004 - 23:30:13 GMT
On 20 November 2004 9:22 AM Ian writes to Platt, Joe, Mark, (and all),
Platt - "Some agreed upon ethical standard ?"
The MoQ again, what else ? BUT please note ...
As Mark says - "I don't think [anyone or anything] should be in the business
of setting and enforcing moral or religious standards AT ALL."
The MoQ is a framework for judging and evaluating relative values and
ethics, not a fixed standard - that would be a Static Quality imposed on the
whole framework. As you say yourself Platt, quoting Robert "To put
philosophy in the service
of any social organization or any dogma is immoral. It's a lower form of
evolution trying to devour a higher one." This is as true of the MoQ as any
other basis of values. This is where Lila goes off the rails IMHO -
suggesting MoQ is some axiomatic metaphysics. There is nothing fixed about
MoQ other than its (evolutionary) shape. A good, wise, common-sense,
empirical (true) basis for evaulating relative values, not a fixed set of
values. There is no bootstrap here - get used to it.
Hi Ian, Platt, Mark and all,
I enjoy "A good, wise, common-sense, empirical (true) basis for evaluating
relative values, not a fixed set of values." I hesitate "one man's meat is
another man's poison." How is the common-sense appreciated and accepted by
an individual? What is the antidote to another's poison? Trust in my own
opinion is a damn circle.
IMO It is difficult to accept that evolution has produced a three level
hierarchy for moral consideration, yet common-sense or morality seems to
start there, "you'll know it when you see it". How does an organic talk to a
social? How does an intellectual talk to an organic? How does a social talk
to an organic, leaving aside a big stick? How do the three levels accept the
ministrations of the inorganic parent? Inorganic science has its place, but
sometimes inorganic science applied to behavior is not common-sense. What
then?
IMO mystical experience does not reveal central truths of itself or
experience. Mystical experience is common-sense. When speaking from my
common-sense it might be useful for me to know in what way I am deranged.
What experience do I have of insanity? In what do I place an honesty to
acknowledge that what is true for me may not be true for you, but we should
keep talking. We may find common-sense. Know thyself! Get used to it.
I was student in a Dominican run College in Mich., after being a peacekeeper
in Korea. My professor, a Dominican monk told he had no fear that I would
end in an insane asylum from the way I think. I was fortunate to grow up on
a farm. I had the land as an anchor to stay out of the asylum. He was pretty
strange himself, and I didn't put much weight on his words. That was 52
years ago. I remember the sense of his words, I don't remember his name.
Joe
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