From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 28 2004 - 19:39:03 GMT
In a message dated 11/28/04 10:03:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com writes:
As to your assertion that
"DQ is awareness in [the] observance [of change.]"
It is intriguing, but after considering it I question whether
it limits DQ to existing in an empirical world rather than
in being itself and its relation to mom-being in the Buddhist
sense, which seems correct to me.
Hi Mel,
DQ might be better stated as radical empirical(?) DQ, or a higher form of
Quality/Value is what creates change, but then again, this same DQ can be found
in SQ, or at the beginning of an event that changes, or rearranges SQ. DQ is
simply there to be found, possibly in SQ, or possible before SQ.
Before accepting Buddhism or Christianity or Hinduism or Native American
spiritualism blindly, or reject either blindly, we may need to "Dust them off"
as RMP suggests to see what Qualities are held inside that contribute to the
Quality of society.
As I think you have already stated, DQ does not replace SQ, so it is not
important to look at what might need to be eliminated in SQ as much as what
might need to be added, which automatically removes the SQ that doesn't fit. This
is how the lower levels would see the change, they would create the change
in the higher levels. The higher levels did not exist until the change in the
lower levels created them. Quality is not in-between the levels, but surrounds
them.
Change would simply be the discovery of higher Quality -- DQ. Where you are
correct is that we may not observe it, as it happens over time, or it happens
from so many paths at once that it is not observable to us in the moment, but
is observable ar times only in the future history. A Quality event that
happens in the present may not be accepted by the generation it shows up in, but
recognized as such in the next generation, without the bickering of divided
parties involved in the present.
Quantum Physics relies on MoQ, and even though Quantum Physics and MoQ have
been discovered, it may not be until the next generation until they are
accepted, as the quarreling sides both have reasonable theories as to why, or not,
these new theories can replace the old theories. It may take 'New eyes' that
have not been trained in common sense, but use intuitive common sense to
look at history to discover the DQ involved. This may be why the change in
intellect may take decades.
Change in itself is not always recognizable, and change in 'Self', whether
in the small self or big 'Self' may not be immediately recognizable either.
Otherwise, we would not be discussing this, as it would already be solved.
Conscious; "To know what you know, and to know that you do not know what you
do not know; this is true knowledge."
If we think of it in this way, then we do not know when a Quality event has
changed us or the world. It is only in retrospect. When the inorganic created
the organic, it might have said to itself -- "What did I do?" Looking up at
this intellectual society, it may be asking itself -- "Damn(!?!), what did I
do?" :o)
Sorry, but it is like a friend said in a meeting we were having in which I
broke loose on an unsuspecting board, "Chin knows exactly what he is talking
about; just no one else does."
Can it really be a 'Known' if no one else can see it? If I can't explain it
in fifth grade terms where anyone can understand it, then I am not doing
anyone any Good, and it is quite possible that I don't even know it myself (self
as an adjective:).
Chin
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