Re: MD Is Morality Relative?

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Dec 06 2004 - 16:41:31 GMT

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    On 6 Dec 2004 at 10:50, Platt Holden wrote:
    > On 5 Dec 2004 at 8:11, Platt Holden wrote:
    > Of course, asserting that it's good to view theories as provisional
    > is itself an absolute, unless that assertion too is provisional, ad
    > infinitum.
    >
    > msh says:
    > A classic example of discussion termination via The Holden
    > Circularity.

    platt:
    Huh? Doesn't look like I stopped you from continuing the discussion.

    msh says:
    That's because sometimes I too am deliberately obtuse. :-)

    steve to platt:
    I brought up this issue, because it concerns the issue of
    homosexuality. People opposed to gay rights often claim to hate
    the sin and not the sinner. In other words, they consider the
    homosexual act itself to be simply wrong. Is this your view?
     
    platt to steve:
    No. But, some of the behaviors leading to the act I consider wrong
    such as soliciting innocents to participate in the act.

    msh butted it:
    The solicitation of innocents is not limited to homosexual behavior.
    This is an example of Platteral Shift.

    platt:
    "But" is not a shift. It's a qualification and/or additional comment.

    > platt:
    > Well, the scale of Quality from low to high is an absolute although
    > where to place a particular idea or behavior on that scale is a
    > matter of personal preference guided by Pirsig's hierarchy.
    >
    > msh asks:
    > Where does Pirsig describe absolute Quality?

    platt:
    An example of the MSH twist. I didn't say absolute Quality. I said
    the scale of Quality is absolute.

    msh says:
    Fair enough. I stand corrected. See comment below...

    platt:
    Well then I guess you never read the following:

    "In this plain of understanding static patterns of value are divided
    into four systems: inorganic patterns, biological patterns, social
    patterns and intellectual patterns. They are exhaustive. That's all
    there are. If you construct an encyclopedia of four topics—Inorganic,
    Biological, Social and Intellectual—-nothing is left out. No "thing,"
    that is. Only Dynamic Quality, which cannot be described in any
    encyclopedia, is absent. (Lila, 12)

    msh says:
    So when you say the scale of quality is absolute, you are saying that
    the levels, along with DQ, are sufficient for describing everything
    there is. I'll go along with that.

    But if you agree with this, why are you always agitating for the
    Individual level? And the Code of Art level which, I must admit, I'm
    sort of partial to myself?

    Thanks,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh) 

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