From: Phaedrus Wolff (PhaedrusWolff@carolina.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 18 2004 - 03:46:59 GMT
Sam)"But the idealist will teach his children the word 'chair' after all,
for of course he wants to
teach them to do this or do that, eg to fetch a chair. Then where will be
the difference between
what the idealist-educated children say and the realist ones? Won't the
difference only be one of
battle-cry?"
(Wittgenstein, Zettel, paras 413 & 414)
The whole idealist/realist debate is a product of subject-object
metaphysics, which we need to let
go of. The more Pirsig says that the MoQ is a type of idealism, the more he
regresses from his
foundational insights.
Hi Sam,
"Then where will be the difference between
what the idealist-educated children say and the realist ones? Won't the
difference only be one of
battle-cry?"
A "battle-cry" from the realist who do not understand(?) As the idealist are
educated in both fields, would they not benefit as would those who do not
deny S/O but master it as well as leave themselves open to the 'Idealist'
DQ?
S + O + V = SQ + DQ
(V - Value)
There's another 'ism' for you to define;
Idealism = Value
Chin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: MD Is Morality Relative?
> Hi all,
>
> This debate reminded me of something.
>
> "One man is a convinced realist, another a convinced idealist, and each
teaches his children
> accordingly. In such an important matter as the existence or non-existence
of the external world
> they don't want to teach their children anything wrong. What will the
children be taught? To include
> in what they say: "There are physical objects" or the opposite? If someone
does not believe in
> fairies, he does not need to teach his children "There are no fairies": he
can omit to teach them
> the word "fairy". On what occasion are they to say "There are...." or
"There are no...."? Only when
> they meet people of the contrary belief.
> "But the idealist will teach his children the word 'chair' after all, for
of course he wants to
> teach them to do this or do that, eg to fetch a chair. Then where will be
the difference between
> what the idealist-educated children say and the realist ones? Won't the
difference only be one of
> battle-cry?"
>
> (Wittgenstein, Zettel, paras 413 & 414)
>
> The whole idealist/realist debate is a product of subject-object
metaphysics, which we need to let
> go of. The more Pirsig says that the MoQ is a type of idealism, the more
he regresses from his
> foundational insights.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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