Re: MD Is the MoQ still in the Kantosphere?

From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Mon Jan 03 2005 - 02:09:11 GMT

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    Hello Ian (you, too, Chin) --

    Happy New Year to you both.

    > Ham, before I agree with Marsha,
    > Could you clarify in two or three sentences each, your precise distinction
    > between Atheist and Anti-Theist ?
    >
    > (Your distinction, not dictionary definitions.)

    I see that Chin got to your question before I did and has a twist of his own
    that I find interesting. Apparently he feels that Atheism "is a denial of
    the dualistic distinction of self and other". I don't see dualism as a
    necessary to the Theist's belief system, nor do I see how Atheism avoids it.

    Since you specifically asked me not to offer standard 'dictionary'
    definitions, I assume you want to know my personal usage of these terms.
    Let me preface my response by stating that, while I may be considered a
    "Deistic Absolutist", I do not consider myself a Theist, even though I am
    neither an Atheist nor anti-theistic.

    To me, Theism (often prefixed by mono-, poly-. or pan-) is belief in the
    existence of one or more supernatural entities which have "beingness" in
    common. In my lexicon, that makes God an 'existent', which I deny. In the
    case of Pantheism, the believer subscribes to the idea that God is literally
    the beingness (existence or totality) of 'everything". While proponents of
    the MoQ disguise "beingness" under the more ephemeral term Quality, I submit
    that Pantheism is actually their metaphysical position. Chin states: "The
    word Quality is not totally interchangeable with Nothingness, The One,
    Creator, Source, Being, or Absolute". Despite that minor equivocation,
    however, several here have offered me the "Quality=Everything" equation
    (initially formulated, I believe, by Mr. Pirsig) in attempting to postulate
    the (non-existent) MoQ ontology.

    Incidentally, I think that Chin may be on to something by relating Theism to
    duality; but it is a duality whose contingencies are God and man, rather
    than self and other. Such a concept is, of course, closed to Pantheism
    which holds man (or 'self') to be integrated with Being. The problem with
    Pantheism, both in Eastern philosophy and the MoQ, is that there is no
    accounting for differentiation in the world. (The MoQers apparently think
    they can resolve this problem by drawing concentric circles, labeling each
    one with a particular kind of being and/or value, and telling us that their
    diagram is but an illusion, and that all the circles are really only one
    (Dynamic Quality). To me, that's a 'smoke and mirrors"' ontology. (The
    cardinal principle of my Philosophy of Essence is that the Absolute is
    immutable; that is, there is a "clean break" between the Oneness of Essence
    and the differentiated world of existence. The value, meaning and purpose
    of life is locked up in that principle.)

    As for "atheism" and "anti-theism", that's easy. Atheism is the refusal to
    believe in a supernatural or transcendant Being of any kind. Anti-theism is
    opposition to any individual or organizational belief in a god, including
    any devotional practice, symbol, or expression of such a belief. I see this
    mainly as a furtherance of the nihilistic movement of the 20th century, with
    numerous political ramifications that I won't go into, as I've far exceeded
    my 3-sentence limit.

    Essentially yours,
    Ham

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