RE: MD Is the MoQ still in the Kantosphere?

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Jan 03 2005 - 01:30:51 GMT

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    Chin said to dmb:
    I think I may have thrown you off with the words " . . . where your total
    focus is on the moment." By moment, I don't mean a point in time, but a
    moment in focus. snip...Yes, it does mean become fully aware of the
    'objects' that are in front of you, and it doesn't involve asking "Are these
    objects real?" It simply means 'focus'. snip...There are Zen teachings that
    involve spending years meditating, but there are also those that claim you
    can open up to a mystic experience while washing your bowl....snip

    dmb replies:
    Thrown off? I don't think so. I think we just disagree on the matter. As I
    understand it, lots of people understand Zen in this Americanized "chop
    wood, carry water" way and I never thought much of it. Its too Hallmarky and
    sentimental. I believe it's based on the same misconceptions I've been
    getting at all weekend in this thread. No matter how you try to parse it,
    Chin, you are still talking about the realities of the divided world, about
    things and events in the field of time and space. Again, this is exactly
    what I'm NOT talking about.

    I think you're really just romanticizing a common sense idea: that people
    should pay attention to their lives and not be distracted. Its a fine idea.
    In my experience, most people are sort of numb and oblivious. I even wept
    about it once. But c'mon Chin, does focusing on a child's homework, or
    anything else, really have anything to do with direct experience of the
    undifferentiated aesthetic continuum? No, of course it doesn't.
    No-thing-ness has no things on which to focus nor any one to do the
    focusing.

    Or are you telling me that your daughter is gifted, goes to a special school
    and her assignment that evening was to achieve Satori with her dad? No? Well
    then please, gimme a break here ok? Sam may be on the verge of a
    breakthrough that is years in the making and you are most definately NOT
    helping.

    Like to fly-fishing with you sometime, but right now you're just bummin me
    out.

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