From: Phaedrus Wolff (PhaedrusWolff@carolina.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 2005 - 22:43:13 GMT
Hi Matt,
Chin said:
Just for my own curiosity, and not making a statement in either direction,
may I ask if what you are saying is that any philosophy that is inconsistent
with knowledge you already have will be rejected? -- and this philosophy
must be consistent with what most philosophers would agree upon?
Matt:
Certainly not. I would never forward a radically conservative, static,
conversationally debilitating idea like "any philosophy that is inconsistent
with knowledge you already have will be rejected" (not to mention the idea
is incoherent).
Chin)Incoherent to you? -- or philosophy in general?
Matt:
I assume you are thinking of the section where I say that "we have to
realize that Descartes and Kant, whatever their faults, were steps
_forward_." As I alluded to at the end of that sentence, I think the
importance of Descartes and Kant were in bringing us closer to the _demise_
of both metaphysics and epistemology (traditionally conceived). Which isn't
to say that we _have_ to work through the Plato-Kant canon. We can just
bypass them. But when you ask the kinds of questions they asked, you'll
find yourself squarely in their sights and so have to answer _their_
questions. The bonus of having worked through the Plato-Kant canon is that
you will gain some measure of knowledge: you'll know which kinds of
questions lead to dead-ends and so be able to better see them elsewhere.
Chin)So if you do not have the knowledge to recognize good or poor
philosophical statements, and depend on philosophers of the past to build
your knowledge base, and the questions which can be answered, then who
offers the answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Kundert" <pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: MD Reply to Chin
> Hello Chin,
>
> Chin said:
> Just for my own curiosity, and not making a statement in either direction,
> may I ask if what you are saying is that any philosophy that is
inconsistent
> with knowledge you already have will be rejected? -- and this philosophy
> must be consistent with what most philosophers would agree upon?
>
> Matt:
> Certainly not. I would never forward a radically conservative, static,
> conversationally debilitating idea like "any philosophy that is
inconsistent
> with knowledge you already have will be rejected" (not to mention the idea
> is incoherent).
>
> I assume you are thinking of the section where I say that "we have to
> realize that Descartes and Kant, whatever their faults, were steps
> _forward_." As I alluded to at the end of that sentence, I think the
> importance of Descartes and Kant were in bringing us closer to the
_demise_
> of both metaphysics and epistemology (traditionally conceived). Which
isn't
> to say that we _have_ to work through the Plato-Kant canon. We can just
> bypass them. But when you ask the kinds of questions they asked, you'll
> find yourself squarely in their sights and so have to answer _their_
> questions. The bonus of having worked through the Plato-Kant canon is
that
> you will gain some measure of knowledge: you'll know which kinds of
> questions lead to dead-ends and so be able to better see them elsewhere.
>
> Matt
>
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