From: Phaedrus Wolff (PhaedrusWolff@carolina.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 2005 - 22:46:04 GMT
Chin,
> And is Scott calling me "touchy feely?"
So I did, and I apologize. But...
> Maybe I threw you off a little with the right brain left brain analogy,
but
> I said;
> "The two sides of the brain do not work apart from
> each other as left and right side, but communicate with each other on all
> things. Logic and reason are our SQ, and beauty and intuition are our DQ
> feeders."
I disagree with this. What I object to is the common understanding of
mysticism that places logic and reason on the SQ, and therefore
anti-mystical, side, and that is often done by touchy-feely types, the
"Just go with the flow" sort of (non-)thinking. In my view, reason is
DQ/SQ. What are known as Aha! moments are moments of high-quality, Dynamic
reason. Logic, if it just means Aristotelian logic, is pretty static. But
it can also mean any pattern of thinking, such as Hegel's dialectical logic
or Nishida's logic of contradictory identity, and in these cases it is
pretty dynamic
Chin)"pretty dynamic" is close enough to DQ to be considered DQ. As I have
stated before, it doesn't have to strike you like a bolt of lightening. The
"Aha!-moments" would be what I would call DQ also, and reason is what points
to that moment of enlightenment. Someone else's reason and logic can lead
you to an Aha!-moment, but their reason and logic was built around their own
Aha!-moments. You can use logic and reason to get to one of these
Aha!-moments, but you can be digging out of a garbage can looking for
something to fill the void in your stomach and hit one of these Aha!-moments
as well.
You seem to have a 'Touchy feely' spot for logic and reason. I (personally)
see logic and reason as extremely static; boringly static.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man."
(George) Bernard Shaw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101
> Chin,
>
> > And is Scott calling me "touchy feely?"
>
> So I did, and I apologize. But...
>
> > Maybe I threw you off a little with the right brain left brain analogy,
> but
> > I said;
> > "The two sides of the brain do not work apart from
> > each other as left and right side, but communicate with each other on
all
> > things. Logic and reason are our SQ, and beauty and intuition are our DQ
> > feeders."
>
> I disagree with this. What I object to is the common understanding of
> mysticism that places logic and reason on the SQ, and therefore
> anti-mystical, side, and that is often done by touchy-feely types, the
> "Just go with the flow" sort of (non-)thinking. In my view, reason is
> DQ/SQ. What are known as Aha! moments are moments of high-quality, Dynamic
> reason. Logic, if it just means Aristotelian logic, is pretty static. But
> it can also mean any pattern of thinking, such as Hegel's dialectical
logic
> or Nishida's logic of contradictory identity, and in these cases it is
> pretty dynamic
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
>
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