From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Jan 24 2005 - 00:00:39 GMT
Mark said: ......the democratic party is just the center-right half
of the American Business Party. When the demos are in power, one
might detect SLIGHTLY less damage done to the domestic population and
environment, due to democratic tendencies to treat symptoms not
diseases, but find no difference between the two when it comes to
foreign policy.
dmb says:
That's how I see it too. There is only one party and it has two right wings,
one righter than the other, but there is no genuinely liberal party. If
there are any actual liberals remaining, they are just a small faction
within the Democratic party. Third parties? Ha! Don't hold yer breath.
Mark continued:
Just a brief and incomplete recap: The plot to overthrow the popular
governments of Iran and Guatemala, as well as the plot to invade Cuba...
dmb goes off on a tanget:
I think its interesting to note that the coup in Guatemala was achieved in
much the same way that Marsians achieved their takeover in the War of the
Worlds, which is to say it was a radio fiction. The CIA effectively took
over a nation by way of a radio play. I'm not kidding. For anyone who doubts
the power of propaganda, there's a story that should cure your dellusion in
a big hurry. (With apologies to Orsen Wells.)
msh said:
It's not stupidity so much as psychological comfort. People cannot
comfortably believe in the truth about the actions of their
government, when those actions grate against everything they've been
taught since the cradle. It's hard to see blood dripping when it's
dripping on your own hands. This is the essence of cognitive
dissonance. And there's another factor...few people have the time or
desire to check them out. It's just easier, and much more comfortable,
to disbelieve them, and to turn on the TV set.
dmb adds:
Right on. Its about psychological comfort. The resistence to facts can't be
explained by mere stupidity simply because nobody is THAT stupid. Its clear
that something much more powerful is at work, at its at work more than usual
these days. If one were to accepts the facts of our current foreign policy
disaster in Iraq, one would have to concede that the war has produced a pile
of corpses and body parts as big as your house, a fresh army of jihadists, a
greater lever of disrespect from the rest of the world, and very little
else. One would have to accept that those bodies and limbs were destroyed
for no good reason, that they died in vain for a bunch of paranoid lies.
People aren't too dumb to see that, they're just profoundly reluctant to
accept these horrors. Its a freakin' nightmare and its no wonder people tend
to look away and are comforted by those who help them do that, like FOX
"news".
And you know what comforts those in denial most? When guys like Mark are
smeared. When guys like Chomsky are smeared. When the people who speak out
and point to these uncomfortable facts, its comforting to make them pay for
it. It doesn't have to be related to reality or the facts as long as the
messengers of ugliness get dismissed or discredited. I suspect that's why
Horse found so many more attacks FROM the conservatives, who tend toward
patriotism and nationalism and therefore hate the facts surrounding this
war.
Because pigs can sleep in beds without sheets, that's always been the law.
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