From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat Jan 29 2005 - 17:54:00 GMT
Scott:
Without applauding, I am applauding.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@localnet.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: MD Pure experience and the Kantian problematic
> All interested,
>
> My last post in the "Them pesky pragmatists" got kind of mixed up at the
> end, so I want to try to clarify it a bit, but since the clarification
> brings in the Kantian problematic, I'm putting it here.
>
> What I said is that mysticism, and religion in general, always contains an
> appearance/reality distinction in the form of recognizing our current
> state
> as one of ignorance or illusion, of being out of touch with Ultimate
> Reality. Plato's A/R distinction can be seen in this way, as the parable
> of
> the cave shows. A philosophy of mysticism will attempt to analyze the
> nature
> of the illusion, which means saying something about the Reality..
>
> Kant's A/R distinction is different. He says that there is a reality which
> our conceptual structure turns into appearances, and that we can never
> know
> what that reality is in itself. He also says that that conceptual
> structure
> is fixed and necessary, the Categories, e.g., of space, time, causality,
> etc.
>
> The MOQ differs from Kant in that it does not assume that the conceptual
> structure is fixed and necessary, but keeps the idea that it is conceptual
> structure (static intellectual patterns of value) that cuts us off from
> reality (DQ). The MOQ claim that DQ is "pre-intellectual" is a Kantian
> pattern. The main conceptual structure that produces non-real appearances
> is
> the subject/object form.
>
> Hence the MOQ includes both types of A/R distinction, the Kantian and the
> mystical. That is, it advocates a mystical program of putting intellectual
> SPOV to sleep in order to experience reality. So in this means of getting
> back into touch with reality, it also reinforces the Kantian duality
> between the conceptual and reality. As James, and most philosophies of
> mysticism have done since Kant.
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
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