Re: MD Nihilism

From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Fri Feb 25 2005 - 07:26:21 GMT

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    Marsha and all,

    On 2/24 Marsha asked:

    > If I say there is no absolute God to guide or save me, no absolute
    morality, and no
    > absolute truth, am I a nihilist? I think the answer would be yes. If
    life is a process, > a series of events, how could it be otherwise?
    >
    > Or to explore it differently, what would the opposite of nihilism require?
    Purpose?

    These are good questions, and they indicate a genuine quest for
    philosophical "enlightenment" (despite the move by some here to debase the
    word as characteristic of subject/object metaphysics. Of what use is
    philosophy if not to enlighten us?)

    Marsha, it's obvious to me that you think you are a nihilist and don't even
    like admitting this to yourself. The fact that you view life as a process,
    as we all do, does not make you a nihilist. The "opposite" of nihilism is
    belief in something. What do you believe in? If you die tomorrow, will
    your life have had a purpose? Is Quality a vital part of your life that
    links you to a reality beyond finitude? If you can answer yes to these
    questions, you're not a nihilist.

    I know that you've rejected my ideas in the past, and I apologize for coming
    to this thread so late. But since I believe nihilism to be the central
    issue of philosophy today, you've touched a sensitive nerve, and your line
    of questioning has brought me back to this forum with what I hope is a more
    complete answer than you've received thus far. Nihilism stems from the fact
    that for man to be a free creature he or she must be denied absolute
    knowledge, which leads (or should lead) one to question his existence.
    Thus, for life to be a meaningful experience, one is free to put his faith
    in religious doctrine (spirituality), become a believer in technology and
    science (empiricism), or find some personal (authentic) way to placate this
    lack of complete understanding.

    Nihilism is the viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded
    and that existence is senseless and useless. Encarta defines nihilism as a
    "designation applied to various radical philosophies, usually by their
    opponents, the implication being that adherents of these philosophies reject
    all positive values and believe in nothing.". Inasmuch as nihilism is the
    logical conclusion of postmodern humanism, it has become much more typical
    than "radical" in philosophy's development.

    Nihilism is often described as a belief in the nonexistence of truth. In
    its most extreme form, such a belief is difficult to justify, because it
    contains a variation on the 'liar paradox': i.e., if it is true that truth
    does not exist, the statement "truth does not exist" is in itself not a
    truth, thereby proving itself false. The philosophy of nihilism has found
    its place in modern literature, and art movements such as "surrealism",
    "cubism" and "dadaism" embrace it openly. In music it has taken the form
    of "punk rock" whose chaotic song patterns and morbid or obscene lyrics
    depict life's meaninglessness and amorality. And because it is compatible
    with scientific objectivism and an alternative to the mythos of religion and
    supernaturalism, many have bought into the idea that philosophical nihilism
    represents an intellectual advancement.

    I think the whole thrust of philosophy today is a futile effort to make
    nihilism credible. Because a supernatural reality is disallowed, the
    nihilist must identify and support a 'ground of being' within the natural
    world. He may choose matter, energy, or quality for his ultimate reality,
    but not spirit, deus, or soul. There is no extension of consciousness
    beyond death, except in the "collective" or socio-biological sense, and the
    nihilist may not posit a primary cause save for natural causation in
    accordance with the laws of physics.

    To come up with a meaningful ontology by these ground rules would be a
    spectacular feat, and one that only sleight-of-hand rhetoric can conspire.
    It is an effort whose objective I believe is doomed to failure. I say this
    because 1) the public at large -- indeed every individual -- intuitively dem
    ands a supernatural reality, 2) the rejection of alternatives is depressing
    and foreboding, and 3) nihilism is no more rational than the theism,
    vitalism or spiritualism it seeks to replace. While sociologically nihilism
    is a culture without values, fundamentally it is a life without soul.

    The anonymous author of the LifeNotes website suggests that, since true
    nihilists "believe in nothing", the modern philosopher's argument that one
    may find or create "value" in a world without life after death is
    questionable:

    > "I would suggest that if we embrace a modern secular philosophy, or no
    > philosophy/religion at all, we must embrace nihilism. . If you believe
    that your
    > existence may end at physical death, you are accepting the idea that
    'nothing' may
    > follow death, and you are by definition accepting the possibility that
    'nihilism' is
    > correct. Once we realize that the acceptance of nihilism is a necessary
    consequence > of our humanistic beliefs, or non-beliefs, we will be able to
    decide for ourselves if
    > what we currently believe to be true, is what we really want to believe is
    true. Until
    > we understand the nature of 'nothing', we may well have difficulty
    appreciating
    > 'anything'. Most people who believe that humans are physical beings whose
    > consciousness is a product of, and constrained by, the physical laws of
    the
    > universe, exhibit a conscious or subconscious determination to avoid the
    logical
    > conclusions that follow from such a belief. Most human beings find it
    difficult to
    > think about the possibility that their existence may end at death, an
    event they feel
    > somehow protected from by the fact that it lies in the 'future'. Almost
    all humans
    > refuse to visualize, let alone accept, the logical consequences that may
    follow death > without life after death. . If we cease to exist at our
    death the logical conclusion is > that the void that follows death
    'consumes' and 'annihilates' not just our future, but > our entire lives,
    past, present, and future. It is extremely difficult, perhaps
    > impossible, for human beings to comprehend a void that replaces all that
    is, a true
    > 'nothing'. The very nature of human existence cries out against a
    conclusion that life > itself may be 'meaningless'."

    The inference is that only objects that exist can have a past and future
    associated with them. Once the individual ceases to exist, he or she is
    reverts to nothing and has no past except as an object of history. This is
    the rationale for existential philosophy based on the "European Nihilism" of
    Nietzsche and popularized by Sartre in the last century.

    I think LifeNotes' author has posed a profoundly significant challenge to
    the philosophical community, one that raises serious questions about the
    value of any non-subjective philosophy -- and that includes Mr. Pirsig's
    MOQ -- as a source of moral or intellectual enlightenment. Quality or Value
    has meaning for mankind only if the individual can identify in some
    transcendent way with it; that is, if Quality/Value leads to a primary
    (essential) source. Otherwise it is no more than a passing attribute of
    sensory experience. This, it seems to me, is the point of philosophical
    enlightenment -- a point that seems to have been ignored in the metaphysics
    of Quality.

    I realize that you won't be happy with these answers, Marsha, and neither
    will this group. But until the issues of individual consciousness,
    transcendence, and an uncreated primary source are addressed clearly and
    unambiguously for the MoQ, outsiders like me will continue to regard this
    philosophy as essentially nihilistic.

    Anyway, I hope I've added to your understanding of nihilism.

    Best wishes,
    Ham

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