MD the sam/dmb argument, part 47

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Mar 14 2005 - 13:42:30 GMT

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    Hi DMB,

    Previously, on Desperate Housewives.....

    I've changed the subject heading, for obvious reasons, not least that those
    who find our debate boring will find it easy to tune out.

    But what exactly are we arguing about? Surely you've not just discovered
    your sensitive side and are grumbling that I've discovered my rude side? I'm
    sincerely interested in how to 'crack' our dialogue, coz so often we talk
    past each other. I had thought we'd made a bit of progress in that you
    seemed to accept that Christian mysticism was different to philosophical
    mysticism, but now you seem to be backtracking on that. So, which bit of our
    discussion are you most interested in revisiting? Let's look at some
    options:

    1. Philosophical mysticism is 'Jamesian' (aka SOM). This is where I need to
    answer your assertion that what James is doing is what Plotinus was doing.
    Which at some point I might do, but Scott's already done quite a bit, it
    seems to me.
    2. Philosophical mysticism is present in all world religions, rather than
    brought in by the intellectual assumptions of the observer.
    3. My interest in the MoQ is illegitimate because there is no correspondence
    between Christianity and the MoQ. (Which contradicts 2 I think - but hey,
    who cares about consistency these days?)
    4. The status of the ego as an illusion, or whether there is something as
    real as an 'apple' there, and how that fits in to a metaphysics.

    I'm sure there are others. I just need to prioritise my attention a bit.
    Where do you want to go to today?

    Sam

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