Re: MD Access to Quality

From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Apr 21 2005 - 11:59:24 BST

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    I really don't know where to go from here because your criteria of what is real doesn't make sense to me. To me science hasn't explained consciousness (within, beyond, around, whatever) of a mind and it is real.

    ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote:
    Erin, let's not get off track with an "You said I said you said" debate ..

    The WILL TURN OUT TO BE REAL statement was NOT about "Consciousness"
    It was about "Consciousness beyond the confines of a mind" - something
    slightly more mysterious.

    Back to the meat - we have something worth debating I feel.

    Ian

    On 4/21/05, Erin wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Erin, you said
    > It is like you (Ian) are saying that the consciousness is not real
    > because science has not explained it yet. You believe they will
    > explain it one day but this belief is not faith in science because of
    > its good explantion which is errrr "a gap in knowledge"
    >
    > IAN: I say, I'm saying absolutely nothing of the kind.
    >
    >
    > ERIN: You said "For example, I do in fact believe that intelligence and
    > consciousness beyond the confines of individual brains (or minds) will turn
    > out to be real - explainable by physics." WILL TURN OUT TO BE REAL --my
    > interpretation is fair to me considering what you wrote
    >
    > NOW you say you believe " Consciousness "is as real as anything else" in
    > this real world."
    >
    >
    > IAN: The fact that you see fit to paraphrase / caricature what science says
    > that way is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, particularly
    > slipping in those causal "becauses".
    >
    > ERIN: No Ian I only know what you think by what you tell me...don't blame
    > me if you contradict yourself.

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