Re: MD Access to Quality

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Apr 21 2005 - 18:51:48 BST

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    Erin,
    To you
    "science hasn't explained consciousness"

    Ian says, have you tried, where have have you looked ?
    Do you want it on a plate ?

    Ian

    On 4/21/05, Erin <macavity11@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > I really don't know where to go from here because your criteria of what is
    > real doesn't make sense to me. To me science hasn't explained consciousness
    > (within, beyond, around, whatever) of a mind and it is real.
    >
    > ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Erin, let's not get off track with an "You said I said you said" debate ..
    >
    > The WILL TURN OUT TO BE REAL statement was NOT about "Consciousness"
    > It was about "Consciousness beyond the confines of a mind" - something
    > slightly more mysterious.
    >
    > Back to the meat - we have something worth debating I feel.
    >
    > Ian
    >
    > On 4/21/05, Erin wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Erin, you said
    > > It is like you (Ian) are saying that the consciousness is not real
    > > because science has not explained it yet. You believe they will
    > > explain it one day but this belief is not faith in science because of
    > > its good explantion which is errrr "a gap in knowledge"
    > >
    > > IAN: I say, I'm saying absolutely nothing of the kind.
    > >
    > >
    > > ERIN: You said "For example, I do in fact believe that intelligence and
    > > consciousness beyond the confines of individual brains (or minds) will
    > turn
    > > out to be real - explainable by physics." WILL TURN OUT TO BE REAL --my
    > > interpretation is fair to me considering what you wrote
    > >
    > > NOW you say you believe " Consciousness "is as real as anything else" in
    > > this real world."
    > >
    > >
    > > IAN: The fact that you see fit to paraphrase / caricature what science
    > says
    > > that way is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, particularly
    > > slipping in those causal "becauses".
    > >
    > > ERIN: No Ian I only know what you think by what you tell me...don't blame
    > > me if you contradict yourself.
    >
    >
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