Re: MD The New Victorians

From: Mark Steven Heyman (MarkHeyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Fri Apr 29 2005 - 16:33:52 BST

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    Hi all,

    It's 8am pst, and I've been up all night. Before I hit the sack for
    a few hours, I want to comment on my friend Platt's latest post, seen
    below my sig block.

    Although Platt's ideas are for the most part well-expressed, they are
    a perfect example of what I mean by a red-herring false dichotomy.
    Though their strategies vary somewhat, there is no substantial
    difference between the US Republican and Democratic parties, as a
    look at the list of their financial backers will reveal. So any
    discussion of Rep-Dem power struggles only distracts us from the real
    problem, which is the wealth-influenced stranglehold incapacitating
    meaningful change.

    Now, I'm not suggesting Platt doesn't mean what he says, that he is
    nefariously distracting us from important issues; I'm sure he
    believes there is a substantial difference between the two wings of
    the American Business Party. I'm saying he is wrong in this belief.

    Best to all,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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    "While the two factions of the business party agree over a broad
    range, they differ in popular constituency and sometimes in tactical
    preferences. These are only tendencies, reflecting shifting
    alliances, but they are real and sometimes have policy consequences.
    The popular base of the Democrats lends more towards working people,
    the poor, women, minorities -- the rabble generally. The Republicans,
    who have been more open and forthright in presenting themselves as
    the party of owners and managers, have sought to create a popular
    base through appeal to jingoism, fear, religious fanaticism, and the
    like." - NC

    On 29 Apr 2005 at 8:19, Platt Holden wrote:

    Hi All:

    If the Victorian era was marked by rigid adherence to the social status
    quo, then the current Democrat Party in the U.S., who like to wrap
    themselves in the mantle of FDR as intellectual progressives, are the new
    Victorians while the Republicans have become the true progressives. The
    traditional roles have been reversed.

    Consider that Republicans want to move forward and confirm judges by an up
    or down majority vote in the Senate as had been the practice over 200
    years. The Democrat's response was "Stop. Hold to the judicial status
    quo." When Republicans want to try vouchers to improve a failing public
    school system, the Democrat response is "No way."

    Other progressive moves the New Victorians block are: a reform Social
    Security so the poor can leave assets to their children; an effort shake
    up the UN to increase its effectiveness and avoid future scandals; a call
    to permit democracy to work at the state level to determine abortion
    rights and same-sex unions, an initiative to remove discriminatory
    affirmative action policies after 30 years to dissolve questions about
    black achievements.

    A perfect example of the New Victorian mindset can be found among Democrat
    Party environmentalists who would like to put social and economic progress
    into reverse gear and return the world to some idealized simple past.

    Anyone looking with unbiased eyes at Democrats today will see a stolid,
    unyielding, unimaginative, obstructionist group of relativists, nihilists,
    and hedonists. They are today's hidebound social level thinkers. The new,
    intellectually-driven progressives are conservatives who are offering new
    ways to attack society's ills along the Dynamic lines of freedom from
    central planning and a national regulatory bureaucracy that Pirsig
    suggests.

    Best,
    Platt

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