From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sun May 01 2005 - 00:12:07 BST
On 30 Apr 2005 at 16:28, Platt Holden wrote:
platt (previously)
To suggest a moral equivalency between the U.S. and Nazi Germany is
a intellectual pattern of such low quality as to be off the scale of
moronic.
msh:
I'm pointing out an obvious moral hypocrisy, not a moral
equivalency, which is a phrase used by people who'd prefer to
conceal the hypocrisy.
platt:
What's really hypocrisy is failure to include Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
Castro and other communist leaders in your list of "criminals."
msh says:
Fair enough. I will happily include them, though the case that
Castro has committed Nuremberg scale war crimes would be more
difficult to make. But remember, as an American citizen, my main
concern is the actions of my own government, for which I am at least
partly responsible.
msh before:
Also, I am NOT suggesting that former Presidents be hanged: the
state has no right to take anyone's life, IMO. My claim is that
many German and Japanese political/military leaders were hanged for
actions no worse than some committed by other governments, including
the USG.
platt:
As if the USG sent millions to the ovens and POW's on death marches.
Such moral equivalency and deliberate fabrication of history is
appalling.
msh:
What difference does it make if you use gas chambers or napalm or
atom bombs or Cruise Missiles? And there was abuse of POWs on both
sides, as always in war, as recent history quite clearly reveals.
Besides, I reject as obscene your insistence that a few million
murdered is somehow not as bad as 6 million. If the American
bombing of SE Asia had continued long enough to kill 6 million, would
you have suddenly turned against it? This seems highly doubtful.
It's clear that, to you, the numbers killed are not as important as
WHO is doing the killing.
platt:
As for Chomsky, his support of the Holocaust denier and anti-Semite
Robert Faurisson is all you need to know about the quality of his
historical veracity.
msh before:
Anyone who actually reads NC knows this is nonsense.
Chomsky has repeatedly denounced the Holocaust deniers. He merely
defended Faurisson's right to present whatever argument he wants,
regardless of its despicability. Freedom of speech is meaningless
if it applies only to ideas we agree with.
platt:
Nonsense? Hardly. See:
www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html.
msh:
Werner Cohn believes anyone who denounces Israeli expansionism and
brutality against the Palestinians is an Anti-Semite, which means
about half the population of Israel.
But, rather than make me read the whole thing, why don't you pick out
what you consider to be Cohn's most convincing argument against
Chomsky, and we can talk about that. And, if we must, let's do it
in a different thread.
platt:
And if that doesn't give you pause about Chomsky's historical
accuracy, check out his support of Mao, Pol Pot and Ho Chi Min and
his initial denials of their genocides which he later justified as a
small price to pay to establish communist regimes.
msh says:
This is deja vu all over again. Please provide direct quotes from
Chomsky, with references, in support of your claims above.
Thanks,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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