From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sun May 01 2005 - 09:35:03 BST
On 1 May 2005 at 12:51, ian glendinning wrote:
MSH said
Where is this simple argument distorted by my politics?
ian:
I say, how about ... (just by way of example - I don't want this argument)
Your choice of the loaded word "conspired" for a start. (just like
Pirsig used "parasites", Ant)
msh:
You say you don't want the argument, then try to get in the last
word. If you don't want the argument, then don't respond.
Here's what I said, so people can see what we're talking about:
"It is a documented fact that the Carter administration, among many
others, supported the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, and acted to
prevent the UN from taking any effective measures against the
invaders. No one denies this. Daniel Patrick Moynihan,
Washington's UN Ambassador in 1978, even braggs about his success
in this regard. Therefore, the USG (the Carter Administration 77-
81) materially conspired with Indonesia in it's aggression against
East Timor, which locks in at least Counts 1 and 2 of the Nuremberg
indictment. "
The definition of "conspiracy" is "An agreement to perform together
an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act."
What's the problem?
ian:
You are reading into facts, even "admissions" of events by players involved, actual intentions and
motives for reasoning used historically.
msh:
You seem to be saying we can never make value judgements regarding
the actions of others, that we can't infer actual intentions and
motives from history. Doen't this mean the Nuremberg defendants
should not have been tried at all? In fact, that no court of law is
legitimate?
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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