From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sun May 01 2005 - 16:08:06 BST
Hi Ian,
Ok, we're making some progress, so let's go again....
On 1 May 2005 at 19:27, ian glendinning wrote:
MSH:
You said in response to my simple Nuremberg argument...
ian:
You are reading into facts, even "admissions" of events by
players involved, actual intentions and motives for reasoning used
historically.
msh:
Since every court of law makes similar inferences from evidence,
testimony, and argument, I wrote...
msh:
You seem to be saying we can never make value
judgements regarding the actions of others, that we can't infer
actual intentions and motives from history. Doesn't this mean the
Nuremberg defendants should not have been tried at all? In fact,
that no court of law is legitimate? And you replied...
ian:
No Mark, that's not at all what I'm saying. We all can, should and do
make value judgements about and try people in courts for their
previous intended acts, etc ....
I was talking about MoQ-Discuss - constructive - philsophical debate
here.
Over a beer in a bar, at an activist meeting, in the jury room, or on
an impeachment demonstration, I'd agree with nearly everything you've
said.
msh:
Well, here's where I get confused. You seem to be saying that there
is a qualitative difference between the kind of inquiry that goes on
in most courtrooms and activist meetings (and even some bars :-) ),
and what you expect to see on MOQ-D, which you say should be
constructive, philosophical debate. Although low-quality exchanges
occur here (as everywhere) from time to time, I don't see that the
low-quality can be correlated with a specific topic of discussion.
Aren't you just re-asserting what you said before, that you prefer
MOQ-D to be limited to certain kinds of discussion? Your
preferences are perfectly legitimate, of course; it's just that there
are others with different preferences.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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