Re: MD Primary Reality

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu May 05 2005 - 15:36:06 BST

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    Hi Ham,

    I'd like to ask some questions about your Creation hypothesis:

    > Instead, I'm persuaded that the transcendent component of existence is
    > Value. If you read my Creation hypothesis, you'll see that it is based on
    > a negational ontology. Creation involves a negation or "denial" of Essence
    > Value which leaves a "nothingness" in its place.

    Who or what denied Essence? And why?

    By "Creation," do you mean creation of the physical world?

    > Nothingness is what
    > differentiates the physical world, beginning with the division of "other"
    > (beingness) from "not-other" (proprietary awareness)

    How can nothing divide or do anything?

    Isn't "proprietory awareness" also "beingness," i.e., doesn't it also
    exist?

    > The denied Value of
    > these essents is reclaimed in the process of experience.

    How?

    Why?

    Was "the process of experience" created with the denial of Essence?

    > So, if the
    > individual has a link to ultimate reality (i.e., Essence), it is a
    > valuistic link. That's my hypothesis in a nutshell.

    By "valuistic" do you mean some things are better than others? If not,
    what do you mean?

    I've tried to get the answers by reading your paper, but I need help, if
    you have the time and patience.

    > Again, your assertion presupposes a "universal" Quality which has not
    > adequately been defined by MoQ's author. You yourself denied that Pirsig
    > ever meant that Quality could exist independently of the observing subject,
    > but that he equated it with "direct experience". That's my hangup, Platt.

    Did I deny that Quality could exist independently of an observing subject?
    If so, I categorically renounce my denial. I thought I always made it
    clear that "direct experience" came prior to such intellectual concepts as
    an "observing subject." You think the two are inseparable, but I don't
    think I can be held responsible for the conclusions you jump to. :-)
     
    > Now, IF someone were to postulate a primary reality -- complete with a
    > metaphysics relating it to differentiated existence -- and chose to call
    > that reality Quality, then you might have a bonafide philosophy instead of
    > just a cultist belief system. (Of course, if he chose to call it Essence,
    > nobody would pay any attention.)

    Why do you find it necessary to call the MOQ a "cultist belief system?"
    That seems to be a gratuitous put down to some rather intelligent people.

    > By the way, what does it mean to be Christian "in name only"?

    It means if someone were to ask me if I'm Jewish, I'd answer no, I'm
    Christian.

    Best,
    Platt
     

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