Re: MD Dutch referendum on European constitution

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Fri Jun 03 2005 - 22:08:33 BST

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    Dear Platt,

    You
    Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:50 PM

    > Thanks for straightening out the NY Times report on why the EU
    > constitution referendum was defeated. As usual, the NY Times got it wrong.
    > We cannot believe America's "newspaper of record" any more. It has gone
    > over to the dark side.

    I cannot judge whether the quotes from one NYT article by Richard Bernstein
    are representative of the quality of the newspaper as a whole. They were not
    so much 'record' in my opinion, but rather 'opinion', 'interpretation',
    'analysis': gauging the meaning of recorded events. That seems a legitimate
    element in quality newspapers to me, as long as it doesn't marginalize the
    'recording' element.
    Gauged 'meaning' cannot be said to be 'right' or 'wrong'. It simply is or
    isn't ... 'meaningful' for a particular person who is in a particular
    relationship to the recorded events. I.e. it helps him/her to beter define
    his/her relationship to those events or it doesn't. "What would I have voted
    in that situation? How may the outcome affect me?"
    The newspaper I read, the Volkskrant, regularly features translated
    opinionating articles from the NYT. Some 3 out of 4 do help me in this
    sense, even though I agree with about half of them.

    > > Allowing immigration implies freedom, doesn't it...?
    ...
    > I'm all in favor of freedom, but I think the MOQ would say that
    > immigration control is a social value that intellect would support in
    > order to maintain social cohesion. When a society is overly burdened due
    > to an influx of people that strains social services, it is threatened with
    > disintegration. Such threats do not bode well for intellect's continuing
    > effectiveness and influence which depend on a viable social base.
    > However, as you rightfully point out, social values can become too
    > restrictive. Better to err on the side of freedom.

    Wouldn't the MoQ say that 4th level patterns of value are supposed to go off
    on purposes of their own rather than to go on supporting 3rd level patterns
    of value? Meaning that they try by definition to free themselves from 3rd
    level patterns of value as soon as they are not dependent on them any more.
    So to the extent that free movement of people is possible without
    threatening the 3rd level basis of 4th level patterns of value, it should be
    supported. We once discussed before that with modern technology social
    security systems can be devised (and in the Netherlands increasingly work in
    a way) that doesn't burden them with recent immigrants. They don't have
    rights to social security and the system is able to discriminate between new
    immigrants and others.
    The fact that people project fears resulting from a stagnating economy on
    immigrants (i.e. make immigrants into a scapegoat) doesn't seem a valid
    reason to me to support immigration control. It IS a reason to better
    educate these people.
    A lot of analyses of the referdum outcome in the Netherlands point out that
    the 'yes'/'no'-division was to a large extent along 'educated'/'relatively
    uneducated' lines... The towns where 'yes' won are without exception towns
    with a large cosmopolitan, well-to-do, highly educated, elite part of the
    population.

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

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