From: Allen Barrows (allen_barrows@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed Jun 15 2005 - 15:53:09 BST
Hi All,
Ever since Bo, one of the original MD'ers, rose like Phoenix from the
ashes with an essay in the Forum and began debating again in the MD,
there's been a lot of thinking about thinking going on.
Hello Platt, I have read all of Bos work and the essay you refer to is rather weak dont you think. Its a calling card type effort which says im still here saying the same things as before and making no new ground but if you want to read what i said ages ago here is where to look. In contrast there has been Anthony McWatts book which would have to be the most important event in MOQ thinking since Lila would you not agree. It is new and exciting and moves things on a very great distance from 1998 i think.
Bo has made no progress since 1998 except he calls his ideas SOL and not SOLAQI today. How can this be a pheonix rising from the ashes by just changing an acronym. I do not know. But i understand you are a huge fan of the man. I think that means you value what he says.
Platt: So as I thinking about all this thinking about thinking, I suddenly had
a
thought. The MOQ, a pillar of thinking if there ever was one, is not
about
thinking. It's about what occurs before thought, namely, valuing.
Allen - I dont know how long you have been in this forum but from what i read its been ages and this is the cream of your intellectual deliberations: We nothing more than value.
Anthony McWatts book page 68:
To say that the world is nothing but value is just confusing, not clarifying.
Now this vagueness is removed by sorting out values according to levels of
evolution. The value that holds a glass of water together is an inorganic pattern
of value. The value that holds a nation together is a social pattern of value.
They are completely different from each other because they are at different
evolutionary levels. And they are completely different from the biological
pattern that can cause the most sceptical of intellectuals to leap from a hot stove.
These patterns have nothing in common except the historic evolutionary process
that created all of them. But that process is a process of value evolution. (Pirsig,
1991, pp.156-57)
Platt: All talk about the intellect and the intellectual level amounts to
nothing
more than an attempt to tell others, "Here's what I think about that."
Allen - On the other hand and with the benefit of ZMM Lila SODV and Anthony McWatts book other suggestions are to be found. The one i like is about a process of value evolution that is to say intellectual patterns are evolving.
To use your own language i nothing more than value the above and do not value Bos work while you hold the converse values. I am very happy with that Platt and from what i can tell the above has evolved and grown as an intellectual pattern of values since 1998 while Bos work has slept as solid as an inorganic pattern of ashes.
Thank you,
Allen.
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