From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Feb 11 2003 - 23:59:45 GMT
Hi Squonk,
Do you really think that these two ideals are compatible?
>The best social values promote
>intellectual freedom, and are measured by intellectual freedom.
and
>the MoQ values Dynamism and wishes for those circumstances to exist
>that help to resonate reality in a just, beautiful,
>and harmonious unity.
When you think about times of great intellectual freedom, do you think of
"harmony"? I don't. Justice, beauty and harmony all mean that something
fits an established pattern, and intellectual freedom doesn't necessarily
mean it is beautiful or just or harmonious. If a new intellectual idea is
seen as resonating beauty, it is because it fits, it builds on existing
morality. To like something, it has to be *like* something else that you
already like in some way.
Axe grinding #3. Does grinding an axe sharpen it or dull it? We'll see...
>From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD NAZIs and Pragmatism
>Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:37:43 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/8/03 5:44:48 AM GMT Standard Time,
>mpkundert@students.wisc.edu writes:
>
>
> > Rorty suggests that philosophers
> > like Plato, Kant, and Pirsig are trying to hold reality and justice in a
> > single vision, are trying to find out where in reality it says that
>certain
> > things are wrong and certain things right. Rorty suggests that we keep
> > these visions separate.
>
>Matt,
>This is dreadful, and displays your ignorance to a very disturbing degree.
>Reality IS just, and is therefore the concern of everyone, regardless of
>their position.
>
>Nazi's are just in that they forcefully promote their social values over
>those of everyone else. In fact, jews do the same, but in a less offensive
>way, and so on as is the case with all social patterns; that is their
>business, to compete for survival. The best social values promote
>intellectual freedom, and are measured by intellectual freedom.
>
>A Nazi cannot highjack the MoQ, for the MoQ explicitly states the above.
>This points to a feature of the MoQ which promotes variety within a unified
>whole; that is to say, the MoQ values Dynamism and wishes for those
>circumstances to exist that help to resonate reality in a just, beautiful,
>and harmonious unity.
>
>When Rorty separates that which cannot be so, you begin to sound like a bit
>of an ignoramus.
>
>Squonk
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