From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jul 02 2005 - 14:23:16 BST
Hi Mark M:
> 2.
>
> Platt:
> Lots to clarify here, such as defining "caring and
> mutually enriching relationships" and "good with it
> all."
>
> Mark 1-7-05:
> By, "caring and mutually enriching relationships" i
> mean exactly the relationship Phaedrus has with his
> bike when he looks after it.
> By, "...there simply isn't enough time to be that
> good with all of it" i mean, one can only cultivate a
> finite number of, "exactly the relationship Phaedrus
> has with his bike when he looks after it."
>
> What i am aiming at is this: If we begin with
> the assumption that anyone can and indeed does own
> that which they can not have the time to form mutually
> enriching relationships with, then it may be there is
> a degree after which it becomes low quality to assume
> you can posses things.
> Once this degree is transcended, the best that can be
> achieved may be the social power and influence one
> gains over those who are denied. I think this relates
> to the situation you regard to be immoral Platt.
>
> Platt:
> The question I would pose is: Who decides when
> ownership becomes low quality?
>
> Mark 1-7-05:
> You do, when you reach the point at which you realise
> you, can only cultivate a finite number of, "exactly
> the relationship Phaedrus has with his bike when he
> looks after it."
OK. As long as you leave the individual self free to determine the
"relationship."
> Mark: I am happy you find Chomsky to be of some value.
> Tobacco production, processing and proliferation by
> legal marketing strategies creates jobs and revenue.
> The fact that it kills millions of people does not
> seem to be differentiated from legal revenue
> generation and job provision by successive U.S.
> governments in the way Chomsky and children appear to
> understand.
>
> Platt:
> Numbers killed by smoking pale in comparison to
> numbers killed by governments.
>
> Mark 1-7-05:
> Governments have the power to make smoking illegal.
Are you in favor of that?
> Platt:
> A child can tell the difference between lighting up a
> cigarette and being transported in a boxcar to a
> concentration camp.
>
> Mark 1-7-05:
> I agree.
>
> Platt:
> Finally, there are a lot of people around who want to
> be admired for their selflessness, especially
> politicians who pride themselves on their "public
> service." It's not hard to detect the contradiction
> and hypocrisy in their "selfless" pose.
>
> Mark 1-7-05:
> This is that misunderstanding between unselfish and
> no-self again. No-self is an intellectual position not
> a social disposition to advance status hypocriticaly.
As previously stated, intellectually "no-self" presupposes a self.
Best,
Platt
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