From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat Jul 02 2005 - 18:26:05 BST
On 30 June 2005 5:31 PM Mark writes to Platt:
[Mark] Spoken as one who feels a poetic unease with ownership
without relationship. I feel very uneasy about what it
means to be able to posses anything as one's own - i
am uneasy even about self. How can a selfless person
own anything?
[Mark] These are philosophical questions and they are asked
in a spirit of intellectual enquiery. I assume they
may be regarded this way because i have been
recommended books concerning these issues by people
with high quality intellectual credentials. But i may
be mistaken in this and a great many things.
Hi Mark, Platt, and all,
I find that I am mistaken in a great many things. I ask why? I look at
evolution! There is evolution from the inorganic to the intellectual level.
This evolution produces life, and it ends at death. This evolution is not
under my control. I am passive and things happen. Between tobacco, profits,
and death, contradictions exist. One look is true another look is true! War,
cruelty, and defense are other contradictions. An analogy to a buffer
between railroad cars to reduce the shock seems appropriate here. Buffers
exist between propositions so that both can be true and that is life. A
linear stream of knowledge, mechanical knowledge! I say this, then I say
that and both are true to me! Two different _I's_.
There is another evolution from the individual sentient to a better
individual sentient. Work is evolution! It also ends at death. In life I am
buffered to contradictions. Through work my evolving consciousness nurtures
growth, but not contradictions. I have a conscience through evolution from
the inorganic. Work is described in a perennial philosophy. Only one _I_ can
work!
Joe
> Hi Mark Maxwell,
>
>> Mark: All property is theft Platte.
>
> Spoken like a true Communist.
>
> Hello Platte,
> Spoken as one who feels a poetic unease with ownership
> without relationship. I feel very uneasy about what it
> means to be able to posses anything as one's own - i
> am uneasy even about self. How can a selfless person
> own anything?
>
> These are philosophical questions and they are asked
> in a spirit of intellectual enquiery. I assume they
> may be regarded this way because i have been
> recommended books concerning these issues by people
> with high quality intellectual credentials. But i may
> be mistaken in this and a great many things.
>
> An overview may begin along these lines: We, as
> relationships of sq patterns responding to, and
> migrating towards DQ, may be said to 'be'. That is
> 'who' we are - events in the event stream.
> We may be said to 'own' that which we care about and
> cultivate a mutually enriching relationship with. So,
> Mr. Pirsig 'owns' 'his' motorcycle or boat because he
> migrates towards DQ with them and maintains them at
> their best. 'I' 'own' my guitar because i have played
> it for about 20 years and it fits 'me' like that glove
> in ZMM - we are old friends.
>
> I feel uneasy about owning anything that is simply
> regarded as mine because i am at social liberty to
> deny other people.
> Those who own a great deal of land and wealth can not
> possibly form caring and mutually enriching
> relationships with every aspect of that which they
> own, because there simply isn't enough time to be that
> good with all of it.
>
>
>> Mark: If you steal a little they call you a thief
>> you steal allot they call you a King (corporate
>> entity) Platte.
>
> Yes, I know. Commies believe corporations are the
> enemy of humanity and
> "must be extinguished from the Earth."
>
> Mark: What i am aiming at is this: If we begin with
> the assumption that anyone can and indeed does own
> that which they can not have the time to form mutually
> enriching relationships with, then it may be there is
> a degree after which it becomes low quality to assume
> you can posses things.
> Once this degree is transcended, the best that can be
> achieved may be the social power and influence one
> gains over those who are denied. I think this relates
> to the situation you regard to be immoral Platte.
>
>
>> Mark: Looks like your government is a corporate
> entity
>> then doesn't it Platte. You would understand this if
>> you read your Chomsky. But you don't, do you?
>
> I read Chomsky for laughs. He doesn't understand, but
> even a child
> knows
> the difference between those with legal power to
> create jobs and
> revenue
> and those with legal power to kill.
>
> Platte
>
> Mark: I am happy you find Chomsky to be of some value.
> Tobacco production, processing and proliferation by
> legal marketing strategies creates jobs and revenue.
> The fact that it kills millions of people does not
> seem to be differentiated from legal revenue
> generation and job provision by successive U.S.
> governments in the way Chomsky and children appear to
> understand.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
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