From: Horse (horse@darkstar.uk.net)
Date: Sat Jul 09 2005 - 20:24:32 BST
Hi Gav and MDers
On 10 Jul 2005 at 1:04, gav wrote:
> hello all,
> firstly to all temporary liverpudlians, and
> ant....wow!
Definitely. A great time was had by all I think. It was really good to meet so many list
members. Lots of interesting papers and a good social time.
>
> secondly:
> this is something that is a lot easier to skirt around
> but i would feel like a bit of a coward if i did.
> please don't blindly accept the corporate media view
> of what happened in london.
>
> a few points to consider:
> 1. why when the leaders of the G8 are in edinburgh
> (nice opportunity for some really effective terrorism
> there) are innocent londoners targeted instead?
A possible answer could be that with so much attention on Edinburgh, in terms of
security forces and police, London was the easier target. Also, London is the financial
capital of the UK and bringing London to a standstill had a significant effect
economically. I don't think that the intention was to maximise loss of life or these actions
would have been carried out the weekend before at the Live 8 concert - 150-200,000 in
one place is a much easier target. Disruption was the name of the game here I suspect.
>
> 2. how was binyamin netanyahu (the israeli politician)
> warned not to go to liverpool station prior to the
> attacks?
> According to IsraelNN.com, Scotland Yard received
> intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time
> before they occurred.
>
> The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance,
> resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu
> remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way
> to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first
> explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he
> was to address an economic summit.
I hadn't heard this but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. Not sure how much
information might have been received but maybe not enough to stop the attacks.
>
> 3. who benefits? as lenin said, this simple question
> usually reveals the perpetrators. well the uk now has
> an excuse to stay in iraq. id cards will be heavily
> back on the agenda. the attention is taken of the G8
> and their continuing rape of africa. harsher national
> security laws...good bet i reckon. so who benefits?
> those that already have the power and are seeking to
> consolidate and expand it. fear, confusion, divide and
> rule...standard tactics. who doesn't benefit: iraq,
> africa, muslims everywhere, the public
> generally....hmmmm
I think you're about right here as it will almost certainly be used to further erode civil
liberties and increase the authoritarian climate that already prevails. One thing I would
note was that Charles Clarke, the UK Home Secretary, did admit (albeit grudgingly) that
ID cards would not have stopped the bombings - but that's never been the reason for
them.
>
> a little research will reveal the complicity of the US
> and other intelligence services in 9/11; is this time
> round any different? i suspect not...but of course i
> could be wrong.
Again, I don't know how true this is but it wouldn't surprise me if true.
I don't think that the security services and police forces of the UK, USA, Spain etc. are
the answer to any of these problems. The problem is with the politicians and their
friends in certain business sectors.
Anyway, good to hear from you and here's to the next get together.
See ya
Horse
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