From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jul 10 2005 - 11:32:27 BST
Gav, Horse,
I'm a cock-up theorist rather than a conspiracy theorist.
No doubt someone knew something about some bombings that seemed to be
planned to take place - I suspect someone does every single day.
Whether anyone knew anything definitively enough at the right time to
take any actions - who knows, and who would have listened, except a
paranoid Israeli perhaps.
No doubt for the bombers it was opportunism - whilst the cat and his
security forces were away north of the border - strike home.
Life aint that complicated.
Ian
On 7/10/05, Horse <horse@darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> Hi Gav and MDers
>
> On 10 Jul 2005 at 1:04, gav wrote:
>
> > hello all,
> > firstly to all temporary liverpudlians, and
> > ant....wow!
>
> Definitely. A great time was had by all I think. It was really good to meet so many list
> members. Lots of interesting papers and a good social time.
>
> >
> > secondly:
> > this is something that is a lot easier to skirt around
> > but i would feel like a bit of a coward if i did.
> > please don't blindly accept the corporate media view
> > of what happened in london.
> >
> > a few points to consider:
> > 1. why when the leaders of the G8 are in edinburgh
> > (nice opportunity for some really effective terrorism
> > there) are innocent londoners targeted instead?
>
> A possible answer could be that with so much attention on Edinburgh, in terms of
> security forces and police, London was the easier target. Also, London is the financial
> capital of the UK and bringing London to a standstill had a significant effect
> economically. I don't think that the intention was to maximise loss of life or these actions
> would have been carried out the weekend before at the Live 8 concert - 150-200,000 in
> one place is a much easier target. Disruption was the name of the game here I suspect.
>
> >
> > 2. how was binyamin netanyahu (the israeli politician)
> > warned not to go to liverpool station prior to the
> > attacks?
> > According to IsraelNN.com, Scotland Yard received
> > intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time
> > before they occurred.
> >
> > The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance,
> > resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu
> > remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way
> > to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first
> > explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he
> > was to address an economic summit.
>
> I hadn't heard this but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. Not sure how much
> information might have been received but maybe not enough to stop the attacks.
>
> >
> > 3. who benefits? as lenin said, this simple question
> > usually reveals the perpetrators. well the uk now has
> > an excuse to stay in iraq. id cards will be heavily
> > back on the agenda. the attention is taken of the G8
> > and their continuing rape of africa. harsher national
> > security laws...good bet i reckon. so who benefits?
> > those that already have the power and are seeking to
> > consolidate and expand it. fear, confusion, divide and
> > rule...standard tactics. who doesn't benefit: iraq,
> > africa, muslims everywhere, the public
> > generally....hmmmm
>
> I think you're about right here as it will almost certainly be used to further erode civil
> liberties and increase the authoritarian climate that already prevails. One thing I would
> note was that Charles Clarke, the UK Home Secretary, did admit (albeit grudgingly) that
> ID cards would not have stopped the bombings - but that's never been the reason for
> them.
>
> >
> > a little research will reveal the complicity of the US
> > and other intelligence services in 9/11; is this time
> > round any different? i suspect not...but of course i
> > could be wrong.
>
> Again, I don't know how true this is but it wouldn't surprise me if true.
> I don't think that the security services and police forces of the UK, USA, Spain etc. are
> the answer to any of these problems. The problem is with the politicians and their
> friends in certain business sectors.
>
> Anyway, good to hear from you and here's to the next get together.
>
> See ya
>
>
> Horse
>
>
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