Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Society

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jul 10 2005 - 14:29:14 BST

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    A few comments, then cut to the chase.

    > msh 7-6-05:
    > I didn't formalize it because it is obvious, or should be. When
    > someone dies as a result of being refused life-saving treatment,
    > they are being deprived of life. If the government allows this to
    > happen without showing legal cause, then the government has
    > deprived someone of life without the due process of law.

    If someone dies as the result of his neighbor refusing to donate blood and
    the government fails to force the neighbor to give blood, then the
    government has deprived someone of life without due process. Hard to
    believe that anyone would make such an argument.

    msh 7-8-05
    > Do you believe a society is morally
    > obligated to limit an individual's accumulation of personal wealth?

    No.

    > msh 7-8-05:
    > You're assuming that the insurrectionists in Iraq are fighting to
    > establish a brutal theocracy.

    Do you honestly believe the terrorists are fighting to establish a
    democracy in Iraq? Your sympathy towards suicide bombers is heartwarming.

    > The New Deal was an attempt to undo damage caused by 150 years of
    > unrestricted "free enterprise."

    Unsupported assertion, not to mention, wrong.

    > So, if we are sincere in our belief in the principles of democracy,
    > we must also be sincere in our efforts to eliminate the obstacles to
    > democracy. This means we must work toward an environment where
    > everyone has an equal chance to survive and be nourished both
    > physically and intellectually; and we must eliminate the influence of
    > wealth on social policy.

    I find no support in the MOQ for your ideas of limits on personal wealth
    or eliminating the influence of wealth on politicians. The MOQ principles
    for a moral society are based on intellectual values over the social order
    -- democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the press,
    freedom of assembly, of travel, habeas corpus, and free markets.
    The the thrust of the MOQ is toward dynamic freedom, not static limits.

    Platt

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