From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Jul 12 2005 - 19:13:34 BST
On 11 July 2005 4:22 AM Bo writes to Joe:
Hi Bo and all,
>> Evolution from the inorganic is a movement in DQ. IMO this
>> is a clumsy way to try to describe evolution.
>
> The MOQ description clumsy? I don't think the MOQ describes
> any evolution (if you mean Darwin's) but claims to unite creation
> and evolution.
Uniting creation and evolution is a mouthful. I think it is clumsy to
explain.
>> I prefer to describe
>> 'happening', 'event', 'evolution' as a manifestation of three forces,
>> +, -, and 0. The interesting force 0 is a force that can be neutral to
>> yes or no and sustain them in a yes and no manifestation-evolution.
>> Intelligence and intellect are manifestations of the same force when
>> experienced in each manifestation. A law of three! The yes and no
>> description of the neutral force is found in all the levels.
>
> It's some formula of your own. An excellent one for all I know, but
> ....
The perennial philoosophy as written about by Georged Gurdjieff, Peter
Ouspensky, and Maurice Nicoll accepts a law of three for every manifestation
as valid. Pirsig's three levels beyond the inorganic level seemed to me to
be an echo of that law. I find a law to be a more precise formulation to
describe how this is possible.
> Intellect's STATIC quality must erased from some people's
> books. Is it in yours?
>
Words express the static quality, a mystical ability through analogy and
metaphor experiences the dynamic quality. I am satisfied with that. The
origin of words cannot be by abstraction, but rather by ???? I am confused
by your emphasis for erasing the word *intellect's STATIC quality* from
people's books?? I assume you are pointing out that 'intellect' can only be
a metaphor. Is SOL only a metaphor? Uniting creation and evolution is
metaphorical. How far can the metaphor be pushed?
> The social level as emotions! Great! Immoral however? From
> intellect seen emotions are immoral or incomplete, but from the
> MOQ all levels are moral, that's the whole point.
>
IMO emotions are experienced as existence, which is the basis of order and
morality--will. Once emotions die in an individual, he can no longer find
order. Perennial philosophy accepts a law of seven for order, higher to
lower or lower to higher. I accept the explanation that the intellectual
level is a higher order than the social level, or the organic level in the
MOQ. I go to a law of seven for a further explanation.
>> The
>> order of existence and will decisions seem to lie in the emotions.
>
> "Will decisions" or wild? Well, emotions have to be mobilized to
> have anything done.
>
>> Death in the biological level of the individual is paralysis. I place
>> organic, inorganic, physical (sex, motion, mystical) as combined in
>> the biological level in an individual.
>
> Your view of the levels is a bit peculiar as if there - for instance -
> is an individual and a general biological level, but that is not the
> MOQ view, the individual is part of ALL levels.
>
I agree. The law of three applies to an individual as well as to a general
biological level as a manifestation. In this way evolution and creation are
united as Pirsig suggests.
Joe
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