Re: MD Theism, Non-Theism, Anti-Theism, Nihilism

From: Arlo Bensinger (ajb102@psu.edu)
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 20:20:28 BST

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    MSH, Reiner, Scott, Ham, All,

    >However, my thinking is that such a transcendent source is
    >inaccessible to us via scientific and even philosophical
    >investigation. I think Pirsig would agree with this, which is why,
    >in ZMM, he simply states that Quality is the source, making no
    >attempt to prove it.

    One of my favorite parts from ZMM is: "In our highly complex organic state
    we advanced organisms respond to our environment with an invention of many
    marvelous analogues. We invent earth and heavens, trees, stones and oceans,
    gods, music, arts, language, philosophy, engineering, civilization and
    science. We call these analogues reality. And they are reality. We
    mesmerize our children in the name of truth into knowing that they are
    reality. We throw anyone who does not accept these analogues into an insane
    asylum. But that which causes us to invent the analogues is Quality.
    Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon us to
    create the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of it.

    Now, to take that which has caused us to create the world, and include it
    within the world we have created, is clearly impossible. That is why
    Quality cannot be defined. If we do define it we are defining something
    less than Quality itself."

    He continues to explain: "Religion isn't invented by man. Men are invented
    by religion. Men invent responses to Quality, and among these responses is
    an understanding of what they themselves are. You know something and then
    the Quality stimulus hits and then you try to define the Quality stimulus,
    but to define it all you've got to work with is what you know. So your
    definition is made up of what you know. It's an analogue to what you
    already know. It has to be. It can't be anything else. And the mythos grows
    this way. By analogies to what is known before. The mythos is a building of
    analogues upon analogues upon analogues. These fill the collective
    consciousness of all communicating mankind. Every last bit of it."

    Let me highlight Pirsig's word "analogues". In his later conversation with
    the Chairman, Pirsig recalls: Since the One is the source of all things and
    includes all things in it, it cannot be defined in terms of those things,
    since no matter what thing you use to define it, the thing will always
    describe something less than the One itself. The One can only be described
    allegorically, through the use of analogy, of figures of imagination and
    speech. Socrates chooses a heaven-and-earth analogy, showing how
    individuals are drawn toward the One by a chariot drawn by two horses."

    The Chairman, and the dialecticians, are unable to see this. Phaedrus, the
    rhetoritician and Sophist, is able to see this. This leads directly to the
    rhetorical "knock-down" of "All this is just an analogy".

    Above the doors to every church, every synagogue, every mosque, every
    university, every museum, should hang these words: "All this is just an
    analogy". If THAT were understood, we'd be well on our way to true
    MOQ-progress.

    Arlo

    PS: Pirsig reveals his semiotic inclinations when he says of the analogies:
    "These fill the collective consciousness of all communicating mankind.
    Every last bit of it." Indeed, I couldn't think of a more terse definition
    in I had to. Nor could one find a better starting point for examining the
    "invisible coercive" force of considering these analogues to be "truth".

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