From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 17:41:33 BST
On 14 Jul 2005 at 5:15, platootje@netscape.net wrote:
Scott Quotes:
" The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely
dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and
Dynamic freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It
is anti-theistic. "
Reinier:
In my opinion "God" should be seen here as a social value-pattern. It
gets confusing this way. The repressing religious institutes where
social patterns. The scientific community rejects these social
patterns but also introduced "God" as an intellectual pattern, of
which they say 'it does not exist' or 'it can not be proven'.
msh 14 Jul 2005 at 08:45 pst:
This is a solid interpretation of Pirsig's remarks, I think. The MOQ
is "against" the social supression of intellectual freedom, in any of
its forms, including the religious supression of ideas. As the word
"God" comes heavily freighted with traditional religious imagery (and
patriarchy, I might add), Pirsig is suggesting that we drop the word.
This doesn't mean that the MOQ has no room for a transcendent source
which, it seems to me, he (Pirsig) clearly believes is Quality in its
dynamic "form."
However, my thinking is that such a transcendent source is
inaccessible to us via scientific and even philosophical
investigation. I think Pirsig would agree with this, which is why,
in ZMM, he simply states that Quality is the source, making no
attempt to prove it.
I understand that philosophical mystics believe the transcendent
source is knowable through mystical revelation, and they may very
well be right. But revelation is a personal experience, a
relatively rare occurrence, so I don't see how it can support a
systemic moral philosophy. The experience of immanent Quality, on
the other hand, is available to everyone, and from this fact flows
the explanatory power of the Metaphysics of Quality.
IMHO, of course.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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