Re: MD Materialism and DQ

From: platootje@netscape.net
Date: Wed Jul 20 2005 - 16:40:09 BST

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    Scott:
    >By this usage of "direct experience", you would have to say that Quality is
    >not directly experienced either.

    Quality IS experienced. There's no way escaping it. When we start to label this experience we create static quality.
    Time and space are created in the mind. They're not labeled quality, but they're the result of labeled quality.

    Scott:
    >If I define time as "experience of change",
    >and space as "experience of separation" would you then say that they are
    >directly experienced? (This is the old Newton/Leibniz debate. You are, I
    >think, arguing against Newton, but I'm not sure anyone here is a Newtonian.)

    Yes, I guess I would.

    Scott:
    >Also, why is thinking not a direct experience?

    Can you think of something that you have not experienced first?
    I know I can think having candle-light diner on the moon in my swimming trousers and I do not have experienced it, but I have experienced the moon, dinner, candle-light and swimming trousers.
    The correct order of things is then
    1) DQ
    2) experience/valueing
    3) SQ
    4) think about SQ

    (4) can create SQ on an intellectual level, like the MOQ, that would bring us back to (3), and then you can think about that some more.
    More pricely (4) always creates SQ on the intellectual level.

    Scott:
    >But there is a need, if one is doing metaphysics, to inquire into the
    >experience of separation and of change. For shorthand, call them 'space' and
    >'time'.

    Yes, I agree with that, but we must then no forget to realize what they really are.
    Back to my short-list

    1) DQ
    2) experiencing/valueing
    3) SQ
    4) 'mentally creating time and space'

    Best regards,
    Reinier.

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