From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Thu Jul 21 2005 - 03:07:23 BST
Hi all,
> platt 7-18-05:
> Well, I'd say if voluntarism is the issue that it's a lot easier to
> voluntarily opt out of the gym than a country.
>
> msh 7-18-05:
> This is an odd thing to say, coming from someone who regularly asks
> people who criticise American policy why they don't move somewhere
> else.
platt 7-20-05:
Unsupported assertion; no evidence whatsoever.
msh 7-20-05:
All ya gotta do is ask. Here's just one version of the "love it or
leave it" or "if you think something's better, go there" form of
argument:
"Where, pray tell, are these small scale 'implementations of
communist theory?' Cuba perhaps? And if they really exist and are so
wonderful, how come you're not there?"
http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/14845.html
> platt:
> In using "havoc" I was thinking of gulags and ovens, not labor relations.
> There is a difference wouldn't you say?
>
> msh 7-18-05:
> Not to the people who have been killed by strike-busting thugs
> (usually cops or private company police), or to children worked to
> death in sweatshops, or to people who have burned to death in
> sweatshop fires, such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, or in modern
> day sweatshop fires in Bangladesh, Indonesia, China. In the US,
> much of this business behavior was curtailed by the Fair Labor
> Standards Act of 1938, part of The New Deal. However, sweatshops
> still exist today, even here. See below.
platt 7-20-05:
To compare such wrongs to the mass human extinctions of Stalinism, Maoism,
Nazism and Pol Pot is obscene.
msh 7-20-05:
Who's doing that? You're the one who thinks a million dead is
"worse" than 100,000. I'm saying that when people are killed or
maimed it doesn't matter to them or their loved ones if none or a
million others suffered the same fate.
In terms of value, your remaining comments speak for themselves. So,
I'll just let them speak.
Best to all,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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> arlo:
> > But I'm curious, and this is just a rephrasing of what MSH has been
> > asking, what tax-based services do you feel are in-line with the MOQ, and
> > which are not? Let me ask specifically about the ones afforementioned:
> >
> > Public roads? State parks? Libraries? Public transportation? Museums?
> > Public legal representation? EMT services?
> >
> > Are there any services that are NOT provided by taxes that you feel
> > should be? Or that should be expanded? (I've suggested more funding for
> > libraries and museums, for example).
>
> platt 7-18-05:
> I don't see anything in the MOQ that is "in line with" the tax-based
> services you mention. Perhaps you can refer me to the appropriate quotes?
>
> msh 7-18-05:
> This is non-responsive. Can you find a quote in ZMM or LILA that's
> "in line with" the idea that tax dollars should continue to be
> funnelled into the pockets of Halliburton and other fraudulent
> contractors servicing the war in Iraq?
platt:
Unresponsive and evasive.
> This is just another form of evasion common on The Carousel of Faux
> Philosophy. An idea does not have to be explicitly stated in the MOQ, and
> be blessed by Robert Pirsig, to be a valuable idea derived from MOQ
> principles.
platt:
Obvious distortion, no comment required..
> From what has been said by MOQ-Con-Liverpool attendees, the
> last thing Pirsig wants us to do is to make him the celebrity center and
> final arbiter of the Metaphysics of Quality.
platt:
Better him than you I'd say. :-)
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