From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Jul 27 2005 - 17:25:18 BST
Scott, Sam, Paul...
sam 7-27-05:
I was deliberately choosing mathematical examples simply because if I
could make the point even there, in the hallowed realms of purely
abstract thought, it would be a doddle making the point in more
philosophical or political fields. As I understand it intellect isn't
independent of human character, even where mathematics is concerned.
That's my perspective.
msh 7-27-05:
You're trying to fabricate some connection between human character
and human intellect, so that you can connect character to truth. God
knows why : )
I can see how our idea of "truth" may be shaped by our human
perceptions, but by our characters? Let's look at your example of
the cold-fusion guys who faked results.
sam to paul in another thread 7-27-05:
I would suggest that in terms of their understanding of what their
experiments were sowing, they were misled by their own desires,
whether of future fame or wealth or glory or even just intellectual
satisfaction at having solved a particular problem. In other words I
would suggest that at some level they were not being honest. Hence, I
would say, that there is an internal relationship between honesty and
truth, ie the perception of truth requires honesty. Put differently,
the perception of intellectual Quality is a function of the virtues
of the intellectual pattern doing the perceiving. If those
intellectual patterns are structured by honesty then
they will have higher Quality than those which haven't.
msh 7-27-05:
You're suggesting that the data-fakers BELIEVED their own fabricated
data. The MOQ explanation for what happened is far less exotic, I
think. These guys willingly betrayed the intellectual level in order
to reap social and biological benefits. This is where they failed
the morality test. Their lack of honesty didn't somehow "cloud"
their perception of truth; their lack of honesty caused them to
conceal the truth for personal gain.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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