From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Jul 30 2005 - 01:18:44 BST
[Erin]
See again looking at all three patterns in the individual was why I wrote that
post...it reminded me of the conversation I had with DMB when I was trying to
do the same thing with Lila. So if Lila CONSISTENTLY uses biological actions
to stem a threat she sees as injurious to her social/intellectual patterns she
is called the biologcial character. If somebody CONSISTENTLY uses violent
actions calling them biological isn't off (as long as you recognize the role of
the other levels.) Now I don't think all soldiers are biologically
dominated....I think some are and some aren't.
[Arlo]
The difference, as I see it, is that Lila was pursuing biological Quality. The
"soldier" and the "terrorist" are not. They are pursuing social Quality. They
are resorting to biological violence, yes, but they are not driven by
biologicla Quality. As was Lila.
The "criminal", as discussed by Pirsig, IS pursuing biological Quality, as was
Lila. But I still would not call him/her a "biological criminal". You, and MSH
in a recent post, use the word "biological dominant" to describe someone, like
the criminal and Lila. I am okay with this, because it does emphasize their
actions, and not reduce them to one level.
However, I wouldn't call the soldier or the "terrorist" "biologically dominant".
Both I WOULD call "socially dominant".
Arlo
I think this gets into knowing the motivations/intentions of the person. Exploring the different motivations I still think some soldiers would be biologically dominat and some socially dominant. (same with criminals and lilesque women)
I wrote a long time ago that Karen Horney's three types of neuroticisms reminded me of the three levels....Moving against (bio), Moving toward (soc), and Moving Away (int). Maybe this is biasing me ...It is really hard for me to put somebody who is destructive to others higher than somebody who is self-destructive. Personally I know I would rather have a lilaesque person living next to me than the typical terrorist (regardless if they belong to the same culture).
Erin
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