From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 01 2005 - 07:02:52 BST
Sam,
No I've not communicated with Rick (V) on that.
As you may appreciate the "Metaphysics" is uncecessary baggage for me
as far as the MoQ is concerned, so I would be interested in the idea.
I think rhetoric is very important and I though it odd that Pirsig
"dropped" it as it were, given it was where he started with his
Greeks. Perhaps for the same reasons I find, which is that the meme
out there in the wild has rhetoric nailed as a dirty word. Google
"rhetoric" and see how many times it comes up paired with the
pejorative "empty". More often than not by a long chalk.
Ian
On 7/31/05, Sam Norton <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> > On honesty ... clearly I agree with you ... any quips about dishonesty
> > being the better course are from my bag of tricks calleed "many a true
> > word spoken in jest". That said, the truth of the matter is honesty of
> > intent, not some semantically interpreted honesty in the syntax we use
> > (what we say).
> >
> > Rhetoric is absolutely essential in this sea of highly un-Zen logic.
> > The linguistic "truth" is always bent to make an honest point (or a
> > dishonest one - there's the rub).
>
> Have you had any correspondence with Rick (Valence) on rhetoric? There are a
> few of us who think that Pirsig's work would be better off described as a
> "Rhetoric of Quality" rather than a "Metaphysics of Quality". A fruitful
> field in any case, I would say.
>
> Sam
>
>
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