Re: MD MOQ: Involved or on the Sideline?

From: David Harding (davidharding@optusnet.com.au)
Date: Tue Aug 02 2005 - 11:36:55 BST

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    Paul Turner wrote:
    > Scott, MSH,
    >
    >
    >>Scott:
    >>If we actually did do nothing, things would not stay just the way they are.
    >>That is the message of the Tao Te Ching. The road to hell is paved with
    >>good
    >>intentions, etc.
    >
    >
    >>Scott:
    >>The problem is that you do not seem to realize that you are part of the
    >>problem. As am I, and as are we all. But -- or so I flatter myself in so
    >>thinking -- to recognize that one is part of the problem is the first step
    >>in ceasing to be so.
    >>
    >>msh 08-01-05:
    >>Ok. Then what's the second step?
    >>
    >>See, this is the kind of one-hand-clapping nonsense that leads to the
    >>religion of do nothing and things will get better. I guess it works
    >>great if you're in the boot with the iron heel, or if the heel comes
    >>down in someone else's neighborhood. Now, imagine yourself beneath
    >>the heel, then lecture us about what we should do.
    >
    >
    > Paul: As I understand it, Mark, Scott has misinterpreted the term - wu wei
    > - or at least, hasn't elaborated on what he means by do-nothing. The Taoist
    > wu wei principle refers to behaviour motivated by a sense of oneself as
    > connected to everything else i.e. not motivated by a sense of fundamental
    > separateness or by the selfish ego. It is operating with a sense of dharma,
    > which, of course, is what Pirsig identifies with Quality in ZMM. When one
    > is working with Quality instead of against it, activity can seem effortless,
    > which is what wu-wei is perhaps better translated as meaning. It is nothing
    > to do with apathy or mere passivity.
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Paul
    >

    Paul,

    Keep it up.

    -David.

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