From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Aug 11 2005 - 15:18:10 BST
Hi Horse,
> Good God. First it's Bio/Chem attacks, now you're dragging out the 'oh my
> god we could be nuked at any minute' nonsense. What sort of a paranoid
> world do you live in Platt. This is reds under the bed stuff.
I guess it's the same world that environmentalists live in with their
doomsday "we're all gonna die" scenarios.
> And perhaps
> if you feel this is a real threat then maybe you'd agree that a good way to
> prevent this would be not to sell others the means and technology to do
> such a thing.
Sell? Last time I looked it was China and Pakistan selling nuclear know-
how to countries that support terrorism.
> Better still, stop interfering in their politics, murdering
> their children and invading their countries in order to maintain control of
> oil and then telling them it's for their own good. Then maybe they wouldn't
> feel the need to perform these terrorist acts.
Yes, stop interfering with regimes like Saddam's where thousands are mass
murdered by poison gas and where throwing dissidents alive into
woodchippers is considered good. I thought you leftists were
humanitarians, concerned about helping relieve the downtrodden from their
misery all over the world. How come your "caring" doesn't apply to Iraq?
Racism perhaps?
> As I said earlier there is no mention of destroying the patient. It is only
> the biological PATTERNS that need to be destroyed or limited and there are
> a number of way of doing this without killing all the patterns and DQ.
> Pirsig does not go on to say "and in order to destroy these germs the
> doctor must destroy all the other patterns and DQ as well". Substitute
> 'harmful biological patterns' for germs. How does a doctor destroy harmful
> biological patterns? This is the crux of the argument. Does he destroy the
> patient (all patterns and DQ) or ONLY the harmful biological patterns? As
> Mark says, the doctor destroying germs is a figure of speech. Human beings
> are not just biological patterns they are all patterns and DQ. You'd have
> thought Pirsig would be aware of this wouldn't you? And being aware of
> this, if he'd have wanted to extend the figure of speech to include all
> patterns and DQ he'd have done it. As he doesn't do this then I can only
> conclude that it was intentional. In other words, this is not a charter to
> kill people but only those biological patterns that casue harm. Perhaps
> conservatives have a tough time facing up to this.
A fine rationalization of Pirsig's definitive statement whose stark
message to limit or destroy human biological (criminal) behavior
"intellectual" leftists cannot stomach. No wonder they've earned the label
"soft on crime."
P:
> > If they (Muslims) abhor terrorism so much, why don't they declare war on it?
H:
> Perhaps because their entire social structure isn't based on militaristic
> metaphors.
If they object to war, how about doing something besides talk? Anything?
> > Their silence in the public square is deafening, not to mention their
> > lack of activity in seeking out and turning over to the police the
> > terrorists among them.
>
> Have you never heard of Sir Iqbal Sacranie?
Muted words only. I've yet to see action. Further, according to the NY
Times, "The mainstream Muslim Council of Britain also assailed Mr. Blair's
announcement, saying 'if there are groups that are thought to be
contravening our laws, then they ought to be prosecuted in the courts, not
driven underground."
If that's an expression of cooperation with the government in trying to
prevent further terrorist attacks, we might as well surrender to the
radical mullahs now.
Best,
Platt
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