Fw: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Fri Aug 12 2005 - 17:37:58 BST

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David M" <davidint@blueyonder.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:33 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths

    > Hi Scott
    >
    > What do you think we can say about
    > purpose upto the point prior to the cosmos's
    > expression of purposeful life?
    >
    > DM
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@cox.net>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:26 AM
    > Subject: Re: MD Self-Evident MoQ Truths
    >
    >
    >> David M,
    >>
    >> DM said:
    >> I think I known what you are saying, but there is surely
    >> some forms of experience/being where using the word
    >> conscious seems a stretch.
    >>
    >> the formed rock on the floor
    >> the beating of your heart
    >> the reflex of the knee joint
    >> the cosmos in its plasma state
    >>
    >> there is something that sustains these states
    >> that makes them nearer to sleepy SQ rather than
    >> striving DQ but they are a long way from the
    >> agency at the level of the human.
    >>
    >> Scott:
    >> As I've explained several times, most recently in my latest post to Paul,
    >> I
    >> am not saying that a rock is conscious or intelligent, nor is it an
    >> autonomous individual. As a comparison, a single word is very seldom
    >> meaningful -- one needs a sentence or phrase at least -- and the items
    >> you
    >> mention have been isolated out of the context that makes them meaningful.
    >> And for sentences one also needs a speaker or hearer to call them
    >> meaningful. (But here one must be careful to avoid saying that the
    >> meaningful context in which a rock plays a role requires a separate
    >> hearer,
    >> that is, one wants to avoid SOM-talk).
    >>
    >> - Scott
    >>
    >>
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