From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sat Aug 13 2005 - 13:32:22 BST
Hi Ant,
Ant (previously)
> I guess your throwaway conclusion based on minimal evidence about Brown
> being a charlatan is probably a good indication of how your closed mind
> works in general and your fear that people like him and myself are probably
> right about the political propaganda that many people are largely
> brainwashed with.
> Platt Holden “replied” August 5th 2005:
> Hey Ant, if you're into hypnotists fine. I'm just surprised that you being
> an academic would find them a "credible source."
> Ant McWatt comments:
> Platt,
> From your flippant avoidance of the issue, I take it that you concede the
> following points:
>
> Firstly, that your throwaway conclusion about Brown being a charlatan was
> based on minimal evidence which is a good indication of how your closed
> mind works in general and your fear that people like him are probably
> correct about the political propaganda that many people are largely
> brainwashed with.
>
> Secondly, that I’ve never mentioned another hypnotist on this discussion
> group so rather than being interested in hypnotists per se (most of whom
> don't have interesting viewpoints concerning politicians and religious
> leaders), it is apparent that I’m actually more interested in the
> involvement of hypnotism and how it is involved in the political and
> religious agendas.
>
> Thirdly, that my concern with how social institutions such as government
> and the church hypnotise the general public with TV and other media is a
> concern shared by none other than Robert Pirsig. For instance, note the
> following quote from LILA, a few pages into chapter 29:
>
> “The theater's a form of hypnosis. So are movies and TV. When you enter a
> movie theater you know that all you're going to see is 24 shadows per
> second flashed on a screen to give an illusion of moving people and
> objects. Yet despite this knowledge you laugh when the 24 shadows per
> second tell jokes and cry when the shadows show actors faking death. You
> know they are an illusion yet you enter the illusion and become part of it
> and while the illusion is taking place you are not aware that it is an
> illusion. This is hypnosis. It is trance. It’s also a form of temporary
> insanity. But it’s also a powerful force for cultural reinforcement and for
> this reason the culture promotes movies and censors them for its own
> benefit.”
Like I said, if hypnotism is your bag, go for it. I'm just surprised, that's all.
Nor is it incumbent on anyone to respond to everything everyone says on the
MD. I notice you remain silent on most topics. Now if you want to talk about
the influence of Hollywood per Pirsig and the way directors, producers and
writers slip leftist propaganda into movies, I'm all ears.
> Ant McWatt comments:
> Ian, I largely agree with your sentiment that politics should emerge
> bottom-up. This is very much supported in the work of Dr Robert Harris,
> the MOQ business person concerned largely with how corporations should be
> run on more co-operative and therefore profitable (as far as money,
> intellectual development, longevity of a corporation and the environment)
> lines are concerned.
By the way, how's he doing?
> Unfortunately, while certain members on this
> discussion group insist in employing right-wing propaganda icw the MOQ, I
> feel that I have a moral duty to challenge it especially when I hear that
> one of the MOQ conference attendees is going to resign from MOQ Discuss
> particularly because of Platt’s political posts.
A veiled threat to impose censorship? As for challenges to my views, I
welcome them. Bring 'em on. :-)
Best regards,
Platt
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