From: Laycock, Jos (OSPT) (Jos.Laycock@OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK)
Date: Mon Aug 15 2005 - 09:11:43 BST
The tone employed here makes me think you think I intended sarcasm, for
which I can only apologise.
I think the strength in these works is the fact that to an open minded
person, they fit extremely neatly with the vague undecided observations we
all already have.
For me it is more like I already new what was there but had not the
sufficient intellect to describe it to myself. Now somebody has drawn lines
around it and given it names (no small feat) and made everything a great
deal more explicable.
(The blinding lights bit was a reference to the "Dharma Light" discussed in
Lila)
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From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On
Behalf Of C.L. Everett
Sent: 14 August 2005 17:28
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD ZMM--See what he saw?
Jos--I'm not sure that blinding lights have anything to do with Pirsig's
experience in ZMM (I mean, maybe momentarily but I don't recall--I'll look
next time I read it). When I think of what ZMM stands for, for me, it's
more a sense of something, a feeling an inner knowing than a definable,
quantifiable thing like the MOQ starts to sketch out.
ZMM is such a tight little package of a lifetime of experience (at least up
until that point) that it's impossible for me to reduce it down to flash of
insight or a momentary green flash. Oftentimes those experiences are only
the triggers, the beginnings of really pulling it all together. Remember it
took the author years and years to manifest ZMM, way more work than I
suspect he put into Lila even tho he'll probalby say Lila is the culmination
of his life's work. (Personally. I'm hoping another book is in the works)
For me "getting" ZMM is something like being in constant awe and knowing
that its (life, reality, god, meaning, purpose, quality) all way, way, way
bigger than words or humans can bring together into a coherent whole. It's
kind of like having an understanding of what some of the "religious" masters
might have been trying to get across to the people who where listening to
them.
Pirsig did such a fantastic artistically inspired job that he left millions
believing he'd captured *it* on paper when all he'd really done was "point
and they saw what he saw", which was quality (or god, if you like). That's
what all the truly great teachers on the planet have done.
On 8/12/05, Laycock, Jos (OSPT) < Jos.Laycock@offsol.gsi.gov.uk
<mailto:Jos.Laycock@offsol.gsi.gov.uk> > wrote:
Not Me,
I like the clarity of expression that the system allows, but am yet to see
any blinding lights and so far have managed to avoid incarceration.
Very interested to hear artistic descriptions of anyone else's
supra-intellectual epiphanies though just so as I know what to expect when
the madness inevitably does take a hold.
Jos
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