Re: MD What it means to believe in the orthodox Christian God

From: MarshaV (marshalz@charter.net)
Date: Wed Aug 17 2005 - 23:33:48 BST

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    Greetings Sam,

    Who is Bono? Isn't he someone who preforms good deeds?

    Christianity is like turning a snake into a millipede.

    You stated "love is the highest form of knowledge". That's an interesting
    definition. Is it a MOQ definition? Is it's opposite the lowest form of
    knowledge?

    Marsha

    At 02:12 PM 8/17/2005 +0100, you wrote:
    >Hi Marsha,
    >
    >>
    >>What is Love? What is the opposite of Love?
    >
    >This is from a new book of conversations with Bono:
    >
    >Bono: My understanding of the Scriptures has been made simple by the
    >person of Christ. Christ teaches that God is love. What does that mean?
    >What it means for me: a study of the life of Christ. Love here describes
    >itself as a child born in straw poverty, the most vulnerable situation of
    >all, without honor. I don't let my religious world get too complicated. I
    >just kind of go: Well, I think I know what God is. God is love, and as
    >much as I respond [sighs] in allowing myself to be transformed by that
    >love and acting in that love, that's my religion. Where things get
    >complicated for me, is when I try to live this love. Now that's not so easy.
    >
    >Bono: There's nothing hippie about my picture of Christ. The Gospels paint
    >a picture of a very demanding, sometimes divisive love, but love it is. I
    >accept the Old Testament as more of an action movie: blood, car chases,
    >evacuations, a lot of special effects, seas dividing, mass murder,
    >adultery. The children of God are running amok, wayward. Maybe that's why
    >they're so relatable. But the way we would see it, those of us who are
    >trying to figure out our Christian conundrum, is that the God of the Old
    >Testament is like the journey from stern father to friend. When you're a
    >child, you need clear directions and some strict rules. But with Christ,
    >we have access in a one-to-one relationship, for, as in the Old Testament,
    >it was more one of worship and awe, a vertical relationship. The New
    >Testament, on the other hand, we look across at a Jesus who looks
    >familiar, horizontal. The combination is what makes the Cross.
    >
    >Assayas: Speaking of bloody action movies, we were talking about South and
    >Central America last time. The Jesuit priests arrived there with the
    >gospel in one hand and a rifle in the other.
    >
    >Bono: I know, I know. Religion can be the enemy of God. It's often what
    >happens when God, like Elvis, has left the building. [laughs] A list of
    >instructions where there was once conviction; dogma where once people just
    >did it; a congregation led by a man where once they were led by the Holy
    >Spirit. Discipline replacing discipleship. Why are you chuckling?
    >
    >Assayas: I was wondering if you said all of that to the Pope the day you
    >met him.
    >
    >Bono: Let's not get too hard on the Holy Roman Church here. The Church has
    >its problems, but the older I get, the more comfort I find there. The
    >physical experience of being in a crowd of largely humble people, heads
    >bowed, murmuring prayers, stories told in stained-glass windows .
    >
    >Assayas: So you won't be critical.
    >
    >Bono: No, I can be critical, especially on the topic of contraception. But
    >when I meet someone like Sister Benedicta and see her work with AIDS
    >orphans in Addis Ababa, or Sister Ann doing the same in Malawi, or Father
    >Jack Fenukan and his group Concern all over Africa, when I meet priests
    >and nuns tending to the sick and the poor and giving up much easier lives
    >to do so, I surrender a little easier.
    >
    >~~~
    >Sam
    >
    >
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