From: Laycock, Jos (OSPT) (Jos.Laycock@OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK)
Date: Wed Aug 24 2005 - 11:30:25 BST
A quick google at this produced a result on struan hellier's personal
website, if you look at the "nonsense" section you will find his own report
on the conference, entitled "the moq dis-robed".
I can't quite understand why he hates you guys so much and frankly
everything he has written is really weak.
Only worrying thing is that he states his intention that this hoax become
the major angle of any beeb documentary which might follow. Perhaps it is
felt that this will make us stronger too?
IMO it is always worth remembering that what does kill us leaves us dead.
I already hate jazz, would anyone object if I set fire to Shropshire?
Jos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Sam Norton
Sent: 24 August 2005 09:16
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD The MOQ conference hoax
Hi Andy,
It's worth also linking to this (hat tip to Matt Kundert):
http://www.drizzle.com/~jwalsh/sokal/articles/fish-oped.html which says most
of what needs to be said.
I said to Matt that "If the MoQ has any long term worth it will come out of
this immeasurably strengthened (what doesn't kill you makes you stronger,
especially if it's only the egoes which die). But if the MoQ is as facile as
Glenn/Struan allege, then it deserves to go puff in a burst of ridicule."
For what it's worth, this does strike me as confirmation of what I said in
my 'Why Platt must stay' post:
"Where I find this process most disturbing is that it is predicated
precisely on the MD forum being a social pattern. It is one that would
produce a hierarchy of understanding - a Prophet; a high priest; sacred
texts; acceptable interpretations"
or as Struan put it:
"SOM stands for Subject Object Metaphysics, a pejorative term used to
describe anyone who has not yet found salvation in the MOQ"
For all the antagonism towards religion, it's remarkable how much like a
'cult' the MoQ has become. To that extent, all credit to Struan and Glenn
for exposing it, however mixed and dishonourable their motives.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Bahn" <apbahn@gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:28 PM
Subject: MD The MOQ conference hoax
Greetings discussion members,
It looks like Anthony and others are aware that they were the victims of a
hoax at the MOQ conference. The acknowledgements for Richard Loggins paper
have been changed to thank Struan Hellier and the picture of Glenn's posing
as a Hunter S. Thompson look-a-like has been changed to someone else
(Richard Loggins?). However, the paper stands as is. hmmm? We are all
waiting for an explanation from Anthony and the rest of the psychedelic
clique. For people who have been around moq_discuss, an acknowledgement for
Struan by someone who has submitted a paper praising the MOQ and Pirsig
should arouse suspicions. I am not condoning the hoax, but what is done is
done. Now, It would be nice to hear an explanation. Pray tell Anthony...
DMB...or anyone else. Is the back patting still going on? Was the conference
still a success in light of this hoax.
If you haven't seen it yet, it is worth taking a look.
http://www.shellier.co.uk/moq.htm
or
http://home.comcast.net/~moq/moralGenius.html
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