From: C.L. Everett (seaelle@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 10 2005 - 00:07:19 BST
Peter,
Well, the posting time lag seems to have lessened considerably. That
is certainly a relief. Makes much of the problem I was having a mute
point.
I can live with "deliberate arrangement" for sure, as part of a
definition but I also know that I deliberately arranged my living room
and considering the ugly (IMO) hand me down couch occupying it I can
not call my living room art. It would be a stretch for me to call
anyone's living room art, though many would have spent very much more
time than I "deliberately arranging" theirs I'm sure and some would
even consider their rooms "works of art".
So one of the missing elements (I suspect there are many), for me,
would involve attaching some aspect of meaning to the so called work
of art. I still hear my art professors voices clamouring that
indigenous handiworks are not art, nothing "commercially produced" is
art, you can't put text into a visual medium and have it be art, only
"fine" art is art, yadda, yadda, yadda. I would love to know what art
is. I think it may be Pirsig's Quality, the thing that cuts through
at the leading edge, blazing a new path, leading us to new ground.
The only thing I know about art, really is that it has to move you for
you to consider it to be art. (This completely leaves aside any
discussion of what an organized group of any kind might consider is
art, including and possibly most especially, society at large). I'm
thinking of how I feel when I listen to certain pieces of music or
watch a really incredible movie or a gifted comedian or read a
brilliant piece of writing. It's personal and moving. It excites me
or thrills me or inspires me. And I think there needs to be a certain
elegance to its expression, a certain sense that a dedication or a
meditation has been made to the idea. An evidence that culling and
refinement have occurred. (This might be what you are calling "a
deliberate arrangement".)
ZMM was an example of that for me. It is such a "work of art". So
much work. So many delicately, masterly woven threads. Such fine
resonances. A symphony, really. Too bad Redford wasn't a musician.
I can almost hear ZMM set to music and illustrated by either some type
of modern dance or performance art where the anguish was choreographed
as a physical expression.
The definition of Art is such a big part of Quality. Good but hard topic.
Oh, and about dealing with posts. I just sort of fall in and out of
them. Decide to say something. Then wander over and look at a few
more. Then wander away for a while. I saw that you're using gmail,
too. I think one of the problems is that there's no way (yet) to
either break up the converstion threads or add lost lone post to the
threads.
C.L.
On 9/9/05, -Peter <pcorteen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi C.L.,
>
> Having looked around for definitions of what 'art' and use of the word
> 'art' means I'm satisfied that a deliberate 'arrangment' of some kind is
> always involved. Of course that doesn't begin to answer questions about what
> is 'good' art; one measure of how good is a work of art might be for how
> long the arrangement is preserved.
>
> C.L., like you I can't keep up with all the posts on this discussion group;
> I'm new to it and a lot of threads go over my head because I don't have a
> specialist's understanding of words used in a particular context. So my
> approach now is to stay on just a few threads. Also like you, I haven't
> always replied to mailings to me but that was because I didn't find
> something worthwhile to say.
>
> -Peter
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