Re: MD Essentialist and anti-essentialist

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@cox.net)
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 18:22:18 BST

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    Paul,

    [Scott said]>....So while Magliola does not use the word
    >'universal', the function of that word is there in the phrase "connected
    >experience" and "dependently arisen".

    Paul said: Then let's use those words instead.

    Scott:
    I think it is advisable to keep in mind that those (Magliola's) words are
    substitutes for 'universal', in that it was only with the rise of nominalism
    in the 14th century -- which is to say the start of trying to do without
    universals -- that we started on the road to SOM and materialism. That is,
    while not advocating a complete return to ancient and medieval belief, in
    particular of those who believed in self-existent universals, I see the
    nominalism of the interregnum as being the opposite error. So to use
    'universal' helps remind us of the source of that error.

    >Scott said:
    ...."Universal" and
    >"particular" are just more words to be used to express a contradictory
    >identity -- other equivalent words are "signified" and "signifier",
    >"concept" and "speech act", "type" and "token", and so on. My point is that
    >we can't do without some such pair if we want to philosophically examine
    >the
    >nature of reality.

    Paul said: Again, I think dependently originated static patterns does the
    trick
    whenever you feel the need to bring in 'universal' and 'particular'.

    Scott:
    But I don't see particulars in SPOV, just universals, so how does it do the
    trick?

    >Scott said:
    >I think in doing this you are reverting back to a conventional view, rather
    >than keeping with the Nagarjuna/Derrida/Magliola position. That is, why
    >speak of DQ as an originating factor at all? To me it leads to privileging
    >DQ over SQ.

    Paul said: That's why I put 'originating factor' in scare quotes, to do
    away
    with it once I'd used it to link to the Magliola quote. I think DQ is
    privileged only to the extent that differance and sunyata are by Derrida and
    Nagarjuna respectively.

    Scott:
    Ok. I can agree that a temporary privileging is useful for those who only
    know of the conventional view. But it is harmful if used as a basis for
    building a metaphysics.

    >Scott said:
    .....Nevertheless, it is the case that I think that a
    >metaphysics can be written with CI as its center (or has been, albeit
    >unsystematically -- see Barfield's "What Coleridge Thought"). What keeps
    >it,
    >as I see it, from being logocentric is that CI is not an originating factor
    >since there is nothing separate from it that gets originated -- all reality
    >"just is" CI doing its thing. If nothing else, it eliminates the SOM-like
    >distinction between the metaphysics and something the metaphysics is
    >"about". Instead, the metaphysics is an example of what it is about. The
    >logic is the metaphysics.

    Paul said: That's interesting, although there is still a distinction
    between the
    metaphysics and what the metaphysics is about in that it is, as you say, "an
    example" and not, of course, the whole thing; kind of like a fractal of the
    ubiquitous process of reality.

    Scott:
    I like that analogy.

    - Scott

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