From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Sep 19 2005 - 13:54:16 BST
Arlo,
In future conversations I'll try to keep in mind that you're against
affirmative action, gun control, social security status quo, abortion
rights, moral relativity (postmodernism) and redistribution of income
(although I wonder how that can be when you favor welfare with two
asterisks). As for the against list, I guess M stands for money but I've
no idea what K, T and V stand for. Finally, your taxes have probably
increased due to your increased income over the last 6 years, thanks to
Dubya's economic policies, but no thanks to the unfair, unequal
progressive income tax.
Platt
> Platt,
>
> I think better said, anyone who favors ANY ONE of the "values" on your list
> of liberal markers is a de facto "liberal". Point in fact, from this list,
> and humoring a very general agree/disagree, I end up with 10 "fors" and 5
> "againsts". Of these 10 "fors", 3 have significant qualifiers for me, and 1
> is a hardly a "stand alone cause" but rather an outcome of "individual
> rights". And, yet, I am beyond a doubt one of those "evil liberals" who
> lays awake at night thinking of ways to send Platt to a gulag.
>
> > Affirmative action A
> > Kyoto treaty F
> > National health insurance F
> > Gun control A
> > Social security status quo A
> > Minimum wage F
> > Gay marriage F**
> > Abortion rights A
> > Laws against hate speech F
> > Darwinian evolution F**
> > Moral relativity A
> > Redistribution of income A
> > Secularism F
> > Legalized marijuana F^
> > Diversity F
> > Right to welfare F**
>
>
> Your opposing list of things conservatives value (or liberals don't value,
> which I assume are the same thing), however, is telling. Notice how 4 of
> these values are, in effect "money". (Interestingly, it appears
> conservatives value multi-national quests for money ONLY, and deplore any
> other multi-national endeavors). 3 on your list have to do with war, or an
> aggressive use of the military. And, of course, there is the nod towards
> theocracy. Wish "you conservatives" would be more honest about that, rather
> than all the back-door techniques, but hey...
>
> > Republican tax cuts M
> > School vouchers
> > Death penalty K
> > Evangelical Christians T
> > Capitalism M
> > Multi-national corporations M
> > War in Iraq VK
> > Nationalism
> > Military force VK
> > Profits M
> > Patriot act V
> > George Bush
>
> Just some quick asides. My "taxes" are higher now, after 6 years of Dubya
> and how many more years of a "republican controlled congress", than they
> were previously. How is that? Also, you show the Evangelicals hypocritical
> read of Holy Writ by placing them on a list of values with three that are
> pretty much about killing other people, and 4 that are about the unhindered
> and unashamed pursuit of money. Just what Jesus was all about.
>
> Arlo
>
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