Re: MD Individuals and Collectives

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Sep 23 2005 - 14:51:32 BST

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    > [Platt]
    > Personally I find nothing immoral about hypocrisy. I'm not a lawyer, but as
    > far as I know you can't sue anybody for hypocrisy. Perhaps you can explain
    > in MOQ terms why you think otherwise.
    >
    > For example, do you think someone is guilty of hypocrisy who follows
    > Christian morals but doesn't believe in God?
    >
    > [Arlo]
    > Only if that person ever stated that he followed "Christian morals". I
    > certainly don't.

    You don't? How come you frequently cite the Bible and talk so much about
    the virtue of compassion?

    > But I believe the great majority of mores professed by
    > Jesus has been the same as those professed by nearly every religious code
    > or faith in history. Whether they were divinely inspired, or metaphorical
    > analogues that emerged out of DQ, is really beside the point to me.

    What gives them their authority then? Haven't we agreed that everybody
    saying something is right doesn't necessarily make it so?

    > In other words, one does not have to be a "Christian" to think that feeding
    > the poor, sheltering the homeless, and healing the sick are High Quality
    > Social Morals. But these are the Three Fundamental Aspects to Christian
    > Morals. And pointing out to those who would use "Christian morals" to
    > oppose gay marriage, but deliberately scoff at doing what the vast majority
    > of this book taught, well... that's just calling a hypocrit a hypocrit.
    >
    > You ask me to condemn hypocracy within the MOQ. I'm frankly perplexed at
    > this. Perhaps you could start the conversation by pointing me at points you
    > think says the MOQ doesn't find hypocracy low value, or even finds it high
    > value.

    If you're perplexed I'm perplexed. You claim hypocrisy is immoral, but I
    can find no MOQ justification for your claim. That's why I asked. Maybe
    it's immoral at the intellectual level because it violates intellectual
    integrity. But, that's a stretch because thinking doesn't necessarily
    translate into to social behavior. So I wonder. If someone is guilty of
    hypocrisy, what is she guilty of?

    Platt

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