From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 03 2003 - 17:23:20 GMT
Hi Rick,
You're arguing from a SOM perspective, where reality is out there and comes
first. From an MoQ perspective, the patterns come first, and patterns
aren't things out there, or we are back in SoM land. Patterns abstracted
have no substance, all they are is expectation that they will continue.
Where do the patterns live, in your understanding? If you say, in reality,
you haven't said anything (we know reality is patterns), and if you say, in
substance, you are back in SOM.
Johnny
>From: "Valence" <valence10@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: Re: MD Pirsig the postmodernist?
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:32:35 -0500
>
>Hi Johnny,
>
>JOHNNY WROTE:
>Things have a continuity because we expect them to. Or, they vary and
>change, because we expect them to.
>
>RICK
>You've got it completely backwards Johnny. The MoQ states that we expect
>things to either vary (change) or continue (remain the same) because
>reality
>has both static and dynamic aspects.... and NOT vice versa. In fact,
>according to Pirsig, that reality has these dual aspects is the very first
>thing a human being notices about the world...
>
>PIRSIG (LILA ch9 p 137)
>If the baby ignores this force of Dynamic Quality it can be speculated that
>he will become mentally retarted, but if he is normally attentive to
>Dynamic
>Quality he will soon begin to notice differences and then correlations
>between the differences and then repetitive patterns of the correlations.
>
>RICK
>It's the differences, correlations and repetitive patterns that we observe
>in reality which create our expectations!
>
>take care,
>rick
>
>
>
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