Re: MD Cybernetics and sq evolution - Secondary ontology as harmony.

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 02 2005 - 18:06:16 BST

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    Hi Mark

    see comments
    >
    > Mark:
    > Hi David, No, it's not adequate. It's an empirical
    > observation though which i think you would agree with?
    > So, if we have this empirical observation how can we
    > talk about Harmony in spite of the struggle? That's my
    > point. The thing is, we experience harmony too, so we
    > have to accommodate both within the Value
    > evolution/Universal flux paradigm.

    DM: Well what we see depends on our concepts/how
    we describe it. There is both harmony & struggle to
    be seen that is right & what they bring about together.

    > >
    > Mark:
    > The vast sea of possibility is basically DQ isn't it?
    > The complex works and works damn well, and i am
    > fascinated how it maintains itself with such exact
    > fidelity over millions of years and does not fall
    > apart.
    > It is within this context that i am thinking about
    > cybernetics. I think patterns evolve cybernetically
    > around DQ.
    >

    DM: Sea=DQ, yes. Certainly, DNA, molecular biology
    is some great technology used by nature.

    >
    > Mark:
    > I think you've latched onto struggle a bit too strong
    > here David. I in no way mean survival of the fittest
    > here, it's an observed fact of life that there is
    > allot of friction going on. That's all i'm saying.
    > And yet, in spite of the friction, things get better,
    > and it may be because friction is part of a cybernetic
    > process - a downside of it. The upside is that
    > cybernetic probing into the unknown, the vast sea of
    > possibilities you describe, works!

    DM: Friction is a good term, lots going on, lots of
    lesser SQ getting worked up into the harmony of
    bigger SQ. Let us know how your investigations go.

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