From: Mr. Spears (dspears@toucansurf.net)
Date: Tue Oct 04 2005 - 12:57:12 BST
i am still dissapointed that pirsig doesnt cough up the details of what
actually ahppened in india.
daryl
On 3 Oct 2005, at 16:55, Matt Kundert wrote:
> Bo,
>
> Bo said:
> These things I suspend until I know your reaction to my SOL-ution.
>
> Matt:
> I'm not sure what you're asking for, Bo. Are you asking for my
> permission to make the redescription you make? I mean, go ahead, do
> what you want. However, if you're asking me whether I think your
> SOLution _works_, no, I don't think it does. I don't think your
> criticism of Pirsig and others works (that "it is only SOL that makes
> such a redescription possible, with MOQ an intellectual pattern it is
> impossible") and I think your redescription fails because you cannot
> tell us what or where your redescription is. But we've been over that
> before and I have no intention of getting into it again (unless you
> forgot, you just left the last conversation hanging, which is fine,
> but the conditions under which you left were very odd). I spent a lot
> of time and energy trying to understand you, Bo, and I don't think you
> were helpful at all in trying to make yourself understandable (which,
> ironically, seems to be other people's problem with me), so I feel
> like, unless you are ready to answer the questions I have for you, I'm
> not going to take the time to go through that whole one-sided dialogue
> again.
>
> I'm not sure you really understood what I was saying in the previous
> post, but I did want to clear up one thing.
>
> Matt said:
> In other people's usual routes of inference reality is _not_ value,
> nor is it experience. If it were, Pirsig wouldn't be saying anything
> nearly so revolutionary and instead simply recapitulating common
> sense. But he isn't, we all seem to recognize that.
>
> Bo said strangely:
> This was a subtle one. You reject that Quality=Reality - also in the
> Quality=Experience form? Well, then, what is Pirsigs revolutionary
> message? That Experience=Reality? Why not, it can be derived from the
> Q=E/Q=R "equation".
>
> Matt:
> No, Bo, I don't reject Pirsig's "equation." I was talking about
> "other people," not us Pirsigians who "all seem to recognize" that
> Pirsig isn't simply "recapitulating common sense." What I was
> suggesting in that post was that there are really several different
> sets of new inferences that controvert old common sense. Quality =
> Reality, Quality = Experience, Experience = Reality. Those are all
> new to some degree, not old.
>
> Matt
>
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