Re: MD Consciousness redescribed. Part 1

From: Mr. Spears (dspears@toucansurf.net)
Date: Tue Oct 04 2005 - 12:57:12 BST

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    i am still dissapointed that pirsig doesnt cough up the details of what
    actually ahppened in india.

    daryl
    On 3 Oct 2005, at 16:55, Matt Kundert wrote:

    > Bo,
    >
    > Bo said:
    > These things I suspend until I know your reaction to my SOL-ution.
    >
    > Matt:
    > I'm not sure what you're asking for, Bo. Are you asking for my
    > permission to make the redescription you make? I mean, go ahead, do
    > what you want. However, if you're asking me whether I think your
    > SOLution _works_, no, I don't think it does. I don't think your
    > criticism of Pirsig and others works (that "it is only SOL that makes
    > such a redescription possible, with MOQ an intellectual pattern it is
    > impossible") and I think your redescription fails because you cannot
    > tell us what or where your redescription is. But we've been over that
    > before and I have no intention of getting into it again (unless you
    > forgot, you just left the last conversation hanging, which is fine,
    > but the conditions under which you left were very odd). I spent a lot
    > of time and energy trying to understand you, Bo, and I don't think you
    > were helpful at all in trying to make yourself understandable (which,
    > ironically, seems to be other people's problem with me), so I feel
    > like, unless you are ready to answer the questions I have for you, I'm
    > not going to take the time to go through that whole one-sided dialogue
    > again.
    >
    > I'm not sure you really understood what I was saying in the previous
    > post, but I did want to clear up one thing.
    >
    > Matt said:
    > In other people's usual routes of inference reality is _not_ value,
    > nor is it experience. If it were, Pirsig wouldn't be saying anything
    > nearly so revolutionary and instead simply recapitulating common
    > sense. But he isn't, we all seem to recognize that.
    >
    > Bo said strangely:
    > This was a subtle one. You reject that Quality=Reality - also in the
    > Quality=Experience form? Well, then, what is Pirsigs revolutionary
    > message? That Experience=Reality? Why not, it can be derived from the
    > Q=E/Q=R "equation".
    >
    > Matt:
    > No, Bo, I don't reject Pirsig's "equation." I was talking about
    > "other people," not us Pirsigians who "all seem to recognize" that
    > Pirsig isn't simply "recapitulating common sense." What I was
    > suggesting in that post was that there are really several different
    > sets of new inferences that controvert old common sense. Quality =
    > Reality, Quality = Experience, Experience = Reality. Those are all
    > new to some degree, not old.
    >
    > Matt
    >
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