From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 09 2005 - 12:05:44 BST
Daryl,
My biographical timeline makes a similar comment.
http://www.psybertron.org/timeline.html
[QUOTE}
This period of study involves no specific course with any
qualification. He also does some work for a tourist agency whilst he
is there. It is intriguing given his cycle from "drifting" in 1946, to
being in "active pursuit of something" in 1948, that at this point in
1951 he announces that "nothing much happened" and that he has "given
up". We can only speculate as to why the Benares experience had this
effect until such time as Bob decides to expand on this chapter of his
life.
[UNQUOTE]
Bob gave me a few more details than you can find in the books. (One of
the reasons he gave for not unloading the whole story on me was that
he had in fact been asked by a publsiher to write something about this
episode - no news since.)
I remain intrigued as to why his time in India seemed to undermine his
quest for the ghost of reason.
Regards
Ian
On 10/4/05, Mr. Spears <dspears@toucansurf.net> wrote:
> i am still dissapointed that pirsig doesnt cough up the details of what
> actually ahppened in india.
>
> daryl
> On 3 Oct 2005, at 16:55, Matt Kundert wrote:
>
> > Bo,
> >
> > Bo said:
> > These things I suspend until I know your reaction to my SOL-ution.
> >
> > Matt:
> > I'm not sure what you're asking for, Bo. Are you asking for my
> > permission to make the redescription you make? I mean, go ahead, do
> > what you want. However, if you're asking me whether I think your
> > SOLution _works_, no, I don't think it does. I don't think your
> > criticism of Pirsig and others works (that "it is only SOL that makes
> > such a redescription possible, with MOQ an intellectual pattern it is
> > impossible") and I think your redescription fails because you cannot
> > tell us what or where your redescription is. But we've been over that
> > before and I have no intention of getting into it again (unless you
> > forgot, you just left the last conversation hanging, which is fine,
> > but the conditions under which you left were very odd). I spent a lot
> > of time and energy trying to understand you, Bo, and I don't think you
> > were helpful at all in trying to make yourself understandable (which,
> > ironically, seems to be other people's problem with me), so I feel
> > like, unless you are ready to answer the questions I have for you, I'm
> > not going to take the time to go through that whole one-sided dialogue
> > again.
> >
> > I'm not sure you really understood what I was saying in the previous
> > post, but I did want to clear up one thing.
> >
> > Matt said:
> > In other people's usual routes of inference reality is _not_ value,
> > nor is it experience. If it were, Pirsig wouldn't be saying anything
> > nearly so revolutionary and instead simply recapitulating common
> > sense. But he isn't, we all seem to recognize that.
> >
> > Bo said strangely:
> > This was a subtle one. You reject that Quality=Reality - also in the
> > Quality=Experience form? Well, then, what is Pirsigs revolutionary
> > message? That Experience=Reality? Why not, it can be derived from the
> > Q=E/Q=R "equation".
> >
> > Matt:
> > No, Bo, I don't reject Pirsig's "equation." I was talking about
> > "other people," not us Pirsigians who "all seem to recognize" that
> > Pirsig isn't simply "recapitulating common sense." What I was
> > suggesting in that post was that there are really several different
> > sets of new inferences that controvert old common sense. Quality =
> > Reality, Quality = Experience, Experience = Reality. Those are all
> > new to some degree, not old.
> >
> > Matt
> >
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